F1 Digest - Turkey GP
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Some of the best overtaking we have seen in a long time took place in Turkey, and some fascinating strategy choices as well. Catch up with all the action, and the aftermath with F1 Digest.
The Race
Just the one safety car and only three retirees, but one of the best races for overtaking we’ve seen for far too long.
Conclusions
A controversy is stirring between McLaren and their tyres, and we take a look at what the other team’s thought of their various fortunes today.
May 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pmSteven Roy said:
I thought this was a new show but it is the Turkey preview. Has the wrong show been uploaded?
May 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pmChristine said:
Apologies, I had my numbering system all wrong. Fixed now.
May 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pmme said:
quick bit of kudos for lou who yesterday blamed honda’s poor performance on their front wheel bins, and it sounds like that was exactly jenson’s problem today.
also, i love the idea of massa panicking that a car overtook him. he’s no schumacher that boy, is he?
May 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pmlou said:
Great show Christine!! A great review of a great race!!
and thanks to including one of my comments 
it has really made my day (which has been really good!)
Thanks me!
lol but i will blame anything on that honda car if Jenson has a bad race (oddly i never blame Jenson 
) considering they did well without them it seemed like it was abit of a step back…like they were just putting them on the car cause other teams had done so. Do we think Honda will just get rid of the wheel bins? or stick with them and try to work it out….
May 11th, 2008 at 11:42 pmSteven Roy said:
Bridgestone would have prefered McLaren to run a two stopper with a 20 lap third stint. Why would McLaren run a 20 lap stint on an entirely unsuitable tyre? That is a stupid thing for them to say.
May 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pmRich said:
Lou you deserve the kudos - I think there may be more fashion in F1 than you might suppose wrt the wheel bins. So I guess all the teams will try a hole in the nose!
May 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pmlou said:
thanks Rich
your right the teams will probably try the hole in the nose. But only if ferrari make it a perminant ficture…or if it really works for ferrari…i should not think that they would try it just yet, given that Ferrari were not using it this race. Does anyone know why they didn’t?
May 12th, 2008 at 12:22 amSteven Roy said:
I would guess they are using a different downforce level at this track. The hole is to deal with high pressure under the nose and if you are not generating a lot of pressure you don’t have to relieve it. As I say it is a guess there may be some other reason.
May 12th, 2008 at 12:23 amlou said:
thanks steven
May 12th, 2008 at 12:44 amRich said:
I think you will find the hole in the nose is only to be used for high downforce tracks. BMW have tried it.
May 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pmBen said:
Slightly off topic, but I was reading James Allen’s Turkish GP summary on itv-f1 and he seems to think that Monaco in two weeks time will be a Mclaren walkover.
I’d love that to be the case, but I have a sneaky suspicion Mclaren will suffer - and I mean suffer badly this year. If you look at the third sector in Turkey (all tight and twisty) Mclaren were struggling. As they were in the final sector in Barcelona (also a tight complex).
Considering all 3 sectors of Monte Carlo are obviously tight, slow corners, don’t you guys think they’ll have problems?
May 12th, 2008 at 1:00 pmme said:
the third sector could’ve been a problem because the mclaren’s had already shot their tyres before they got there, which wouldn’t happen at monaco.
however, i get the impression that ferrari are a bit annoyed about their winless drought in the principality and might possibly pull something special out of the bag.
it’ll depend a lot on the weather, it’s raining today and that looks set to continue into the week leading up to the GP. i’ve been hoping for a wet race all season (to see what happens with no TC), but if the first one is in monaco it’ll be just crazy.
May 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pmSteven Roy said:
It’s a long time since we had a wet Monaco.
I would think Bridgestone will have different compounds in Monaco so what happened in Turkey won’t be relevant. For reasons I can’t understand they took the same compounds from Barcelona to Turkey which doesn’t make much sense.
The other thing of course is that Turkey is a low downforce circuit and Monaco is maximum downforce and the change in set up will make a huge difference.
I assume Ferrari’s blow hole is going to re-appear in Monaco.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pmlou said:
Honda hints at aero quirks for Monaco
Oh good….new parts….not sure about the ‘visually interesting’ though…just as long as they work i suppose…..
May 12th, 2008 at 5:31 pmlou said:
me, its been a week now and my name still does not have a link in the top commenters :(. and can have comment editting back please
May 12th, 2008 at 6:03 pmSteven Roy said:
Given Honda’s recent behaviour ‘visually interesting’ probably means they have managed to find an even more disgusting shade of green.
Or more likely they have a blow hole or something that does the same job.
May 12th, 2008 at 6:08 pmSidepodcastFan said:
Not sure if that’s entirely the case but if I may, Massa’s engineer clearly came up with the correct race adjustments after
May 12th, 2008 at 6:39 pmSteven Roy said:
SidepodcastFan, You are only saying that because Christine has a crush on Rob Smedley.
May 12th, 2008 at 7:01 pmChristine said:
I don’t, and you may find “me” is missing off this week’s podcast, because I have killed him for starting that rumour.
May 12th, 2008 at 7:05 pmme said:
thing is i saw the way you reacted when he appeared on screen and that’s the second time in two races.
that big river in egypt, it’s called…
May 12th, 2008 at 8:29 pmSteven Roy said:
I think I know the answer is it DeNile maybe DeNial. Spelling never was my strong point.
‘Me’thinks she dost protest too much. It was him what said it not me but him ‘me’.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:06 pmlou said:
Last F1 race at Magny-Cours this year.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:15 pmlou said:
Don’t worry Christine, no need to kill ‘me’
, we all know you only have space in your heart for ‘Me’…and maybe Franck….and even Bourdais? 
but not Rob Smedley - he does not seem your type 
- if you don’t mind me saying. 
May 12th, 2008 at 9:30 pmSteven Roy said:
Don’t forget Jenson
May 12th, 2008 at 9:30 pmSteven Roy said:
& DC
May 12th, 2008 at 9:34 pmlou said:
I didn’t think she liked Jenson that much anymore….
DC? Really?
May 12th, 2008 at 9:37 pmme said:
i thinks you’re probably right on both counts there.
although with so many men on her list, i can see it could be confusing.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:39 pmJordan Allen said:
Boy, the honeymoon was over quick was it? I only wished Super Aguri would have gone as fast. Sato and Davidson would have scored tons of points instead of the team becoming bankrupt.
Jordan (Allen) F1.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:41 pmlou said:
Jenson is mine anyway
lol 
May 12th, 2008 at 9:51 pmlou said:
To be fair she does not have that long a list, and you are at the top ‘me’ so
May 12th, 2008 at 9:52 pmChristine said:
There aren’t that many. It was always Jenson, until I discoverd Franck.
Then Lou’s right, I’m not that enamoured by JB anymore - I think the lack of an iheartjense site gives it away. And I just have a soft spot for Bourdais.
That’s all.
No Rob Smedley. No DC.
Oh yea, and “me”, I guess
May 12th, 2008 at 9:57 pmlou said:
Wander if Franck will be replaced this year when you go to goodwood…you never know christine there could be someone even better!
Thats very good to hear!
aww!
May 12th, 2008 at 10:01 pmme said:
he’ll be heart broken when he reads that.
at the moment we don’t have tickets, we probably will but we currently have about 12hrs worth of film from last year that’s still not been finished. so i’m refusing to record anything new until we’ve caught up with what we’ve got.
May 12th, 2008 at 10:06 pmlou said:
But a second goodwood podcast would be good
thats my favourate podcast i think (i have listened to it quite alot) along with the British GP one! I am still to get tickets, but dad is coming round to the idea so…. If i end up going i will look out for Christine with a mysterious bearded man with a camera held up to his face 
May 12th, 2008 at 11:59 pmbrendan stallard said:
“I didn’t think she liked Jenson that much anymore….”
Lou …..
I should hope not: she’m a married lady now: eyes for only one!
brendan
May 13th, 2008 at 12:44 amScott Woodwiss said:
Yeah, I was wondering about that, and where all that footage had got to. Listening to your Goodwood show a while back drew it to my attention.
May 13th, 2008 at 3:57 amJordan Allen said:
Brendan, can you be a little bit nicer to Bourdais, Franck, this Rob Smedley chap and even “me” as the way you structured your E-mail, it could be possible that you are very egoistically suggesting that Christine, as a married woman should have eyes only for you (refered to in the third person).
Very brassy move there, me? I think its time I start looking for a foxhole and sit the rest of this one out…..
Jordan (Allen) F1
May 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pmmy FA fantasy said:
Have you heard the news? Alan Permane and Steve Nielsen destroy Piquet in the latest RF1 podcast, and Di Grassi (also Brazilian) is testing today in P Ricard. I think Monaco is NP’s last chance and after that he’ll go the “obvious way” (quote from the podcast). I’m excited! Sato or Ant to Renault! But of course it’s just my fantasy, Flav seems to like Brazilians or maybe it’s to do with the sponsorship. It was bound to happen, they were seriously laughing at poor Nelson during the podcast, the guy’s obviously mentally blocked because he seemed to show some signs of promise in the lower formulae, another Gianmaria Bruni syndrome victim?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pmme said:
wow, finally. must check that out right now
cheers.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pmScott Woodwiss said:
as my FA fantasy mentioned, the teams are in Paul Ricard right now preparing for Monaco, which gives them a chance to get some new aero pieces onto the cars. Here is what I can see as new parts:
Williams - new engine cover fin
Honda - Winglets attached to “dumbo” wings
Toyota - New rear wing
BMW - Looks like maybe a simpler rear wing, although that may just be for testing purposes.
If anyone else spots anything, then just post it.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:04 pmScott Woodwiss said:
Also, there’s a new Chalkboard session with Steve Matchett on Speedtv.com
May 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pmScott Woodwiss said:
AND Renault have also launched their own Youtube channel. There’s 11 videos on there at present, but I’m sure they’ll update whenever they can. Check it out:
http://uk.youtube.com/INGRenaultf1Team
May 14th, 2008 at 7:00 pmmy FA fantasy said:
Today, Christian Silk, Renault F1 Chief Test Engineer: “It was a reasonable first day of running, it was also important to give Lucas a good number of laps in the car, which is what he needs at the moment.”
Hmm, he needs laps in R28 at the moment? What if little Nelson doesn’t show up tomorrow? Piquet Sr. was making his usual threats during the winter testing that NP jr. will give ALO a run for his money and now … it’s a tragedy what happened, he-he, it’s all right it’s all right - he moves in mysterious ways.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:53 pmlou said:
And the new honda “dombo” wing winglet attachments look pretty cool too. They make the “dombo” wings look more like an aero feature rather than a seagull catching a lift.
oh hang on….not sure about them actually, looking at them from another angle….they look, in the words of Ross Brawn, ‘interesting’……
May 14th, 2008 at 8:03 pmlou said:
I have just listened to JB’s Turkish GP diary on honda racing TV . v.interesting to see hear what they felt was wrong with the car, specially that they changed their stratagy and JB’s thoughts on Kovi and Piquet overtaking him.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:15 pmme said:
yeah, usually round in circles.
although if the guy does turn up tomorrow, that doesn’t mean he’ll make it to monaco, just look at scott speed.
interesting times.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:20 pmme said:
it’s just marketing guff, isn’t it?
how come renault are getting a bunch of press over this, when ferrari, honda and bmw have all had YouTube channels for ages yet they didn’t get a mention on autosport?
all very odd.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:22 pmme said:
twas the spinners like what you said
got strategy insight there, i wish all drivers would do these.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:23 pmlou said:
BMW have a youtube channel? I missed that one…will go and subscribe now!!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:26 pmme said:
link here:
http://uk.youtube.com/user/bmwsauberf1team
May 14th, 2008 at 8:28 pmlou said:
You have a good memory, specially cause i just said it in passing.
but yeah it was….:D it put and big smile on my face!
It would be great if at least one driver in each team would do a short recording about the race weekend. Hopefully the more teams will learn from BMW and Renault, and have a podcast next year! I am surprised at Honda cause they are pretty clued up on the internet coverage thing what with honda racing TV and all. Would be really nice!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pmlou said:
Thank you!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pmSteven Roy said:
The Williams has the biggest fin yet. I wonder if we will see one which connects to the rear wing.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:29 pmme said:
i’m not sure i understand the aero advantages enough, but would that be a good thing (assuming it were allowed)?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 pmAlianora La Canta said:
I found Honda’s and BMW’s channel… …but where’s Ferrari’s YouTube channel?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pmSteven Roy said:
I would have thought it a disadvantage to take the fin as close to the wing as Williams have but assuming they are trying to keep the airflow attached and smooth then it may be feasible to attach the fin to the wing without an aero penalty.
I am not sure where the rules allow the fin to go. I guess only Ali may know that.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 pmme said:
http://uk.youtube.com/user/ferrariworld
May 15th, 2008 at 2:22 amJourneyer said:
Thanks for the BMW link! So far, I have BMW, Renault, Ferrari, Honda, Force India. How about the other teams?
May 15th, 2008 at 7:46 amlou said:
force india have one?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:01 amme said:
http://uk.youtube.com/user/forceindiaformulaone
i think that’s about all of them isn’t it?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 pmAlianora La Canta said:
As far as attaching the fin to the rear wing is concerned, there is a vaguely-worded preamble at the start of Article 3 of the Technical Regulations banning anything that “reduces or defeats” a “wake when the car is moving which assists the following car”.
Article 3.81 says that any bodywork in that area has to be 60cm or below from the reference plane, but the rear wing already has to comply with that regulation.
If a team can get the fin connection to the rear wing to comply with these two rules, it would be perfectly permissible. It gets more complicated if a team wanted to take the fin beyond the reach of the rear wing, but it is theoretically possible provided that the fin wasn’t made too wide or long.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pmScott Woodwiss said:
The FIA think a standard ECU solution will help solve the safety car problem. I read the article and I think I kind of get the jist of it, but I’m still a bit confused by it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67425
May 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pmScott Woodwiss said:
Also, off topic slightly, Martin Brundle’s going back to racing…….in Formula Palmer Audi…….against his son.
But it is at Spa
May 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pmSteven Roy said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67413
Craig Scarborough has analysed the latest technical developments from the three day test at Ricard. Quite why anyone thinks it is a good idea to test for Monaco at the totally flat Ricard is beyond me. Anyhow…
Craig’s article includes the following sentence on the Williams fin.
“The shark-fin is mainly used to control the rear of the car sliding, but designed not to mask the rear wing when the tail does eventually slide or in cross winds.”
This suggests that there has to be a gap between the fin and the wing or the wing will be a lot less efficient in cross winds or if the car is not travelling in a straight line. It makes sense so I guess we will never see a fin touching a wing except when Fisi is starting behind the car in question.
Also mentioned in this article is that Toyota were testing a new wing of questionable legality so we could be seeing more requests for clarification. Mustn’t call the protests. Protests are negative and negative is bad.
Brundle and Jonathan Palmer recently had a private race with their sons. I guess Martin wants to prove he still has it or he is researching the merits of a push to pass button. It would be funny if he beat all those young wannabe drivers.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:36 pmme said:
not clear is it? presumably it’ll work like a variable speed pit-limiter.
what’s really interesting about this is there’s going to have to be some kind of pit-to-car message sent from race control. i’m guessing this is tied to digiflag system in some way, as that will know when a safety car has been deployed.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pmAlenyaa said:
Why do the FIA have to make it so needlessly complicated? Back in the good old days the pit lane stayed open and they waved a double yellow flag at the place of the accident, in case anyone did pit in whilst the safety car was deployed.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pmme said:
i think alonso is to blame, at least partly. he smashed into webber’s stray tyre at the brazilian gp, whilst under waved yellows.
not much was said about it at the time, but apparently it concerned people enough to change the rules.
May 17th, 2008 at 6:58 pmScott Woodwiss said:
I’ve just been watching on autosport.coma video about Toyota’s “search for the secret weapon”, and apparently they’ve been working on some kind of “flow control device”. Any ideas?
May 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmme said:
i say it’s nonsense (cause i’m a cynic), just a rubbishy PR film. we thought about doing something with it, but decided better of it.
i like the shots of the runway, but i’d be amazed if they’re thinking of anything other than a ferrari-like nose job.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:15 pmlou said:
yay! i have just been scanning various weather forecasting sites! and Monaco looks set to be a wet race. It varies from drizzle to heavey rain depending on the site, there is still 8 days to go so anything could happen, but at the moment the possibility of rain is looking good!
May 17th, 2008 at 8:20 pmScott Woodwiss said:
speaking of toyota, my new desktop is of timo glock looking back at me from his cockpit
http://www.f1-fansite.com/wallpaper/2008/04-ESP/ESP-27-04-08-14-1280×800.jpg
May 17th, 2008 at 8:23 pmlou said:
That is a very cool desktop pic!!! mine (as everyone has probably guessed) is from the honda website, its a pic of both the hondas….and yes my screensaver is the offical honda screensaver from thier website.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:25 pmScott Woodwiss said:
nice
actually, i like to change it quite frequently, as i have just now - it’s a pic of alonso in turkey
May 17th, 2008 at 8:43 pmChristine said:
I change my desktop at work after every GP, at the moment it’s Fisichella flying over Nakajima’s head
May 17th, 2008 at 9:02 pmlou said:
yep me too, its generally a Honda pic though
I am trying despirately to find out who the honda photographer(s) are because they always take such great photos!
I also change the background on my phone pretty often too.
May 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pmSteven Roy said:
http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Monte-Carlo-MNXX0001
According to the above link there is a 90% chance of rain on Saturday and 50% on Sunday. No doubt those number will change a lot before the weekend arrives.
May 17th, 2008 at 9:56 pmScott Woodwiss said:
I get my wallpapers from this site
http://www.f1-fansite.com/wallpaper/2008/wallpaper0508.asp
May 17th, 2008 at 10:48 pmlou said:
cool thanks Scott, i will take a look
May 20th, 2008 at 12:36 amAlianora La Canta said:
My wallpaper is “Ascent”, which comes with Windows XP and has nothing to do with F1. I think about F1 enough without being reminded every time I look at the background…
May 20th, 2008 at 12:40 amme said:
hehe, nice one.
mine is now a plain dull grey, but that’s because i need a neutral colour in order that i’m not distracted when colour correcting video.
it would help if the walls of the room were the same, but that would be quite a depressing place to work
May 20th, 2008 at 12:41 amAlianora La Canta said:
Scott, is it me or is F1 Fansite using a Force India timer for their race countdown?
May 20th, 2008 at 12:52 amme said:
apologies scott for jumping in on your question here!
force india have this page:
http://www.forceindiaf1.com/widgets.aspx
which let’s anyone share their widgets. i tried to have one sitting on my dashboard, but the background isn’t transparent and it looks a bit funky surrounded by a white rectangle.
May 20th, 2008 at 12:55 amAlianora La Canta said:
I tried putting one of those on my blog, but it doesn’t convert to BBCode very well because of the JavaScript. I was just surprised that anyone else (other than a fellow Force India fan) had displayed enough interest to put one in their site. It makes me happy.
May 20th, 2008 at 1:02 amme said:
have you tried the myspace version?
it doesn’t use javascript and seems to work where others wouldn’t.
May 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pmAlianora La Canta said:
It might not use Javascript, but according to the source code, it uses Flash, which doesn’t work with BBCode either (as far as I can tell)
May 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pmme said:
no js, no flash… lady, you needs you a new content management system!
i looks quite neat sitting there in the comments though doesn’t it?