Episode 70 - When Was the Last Time You Sat in a Comfy Chair at Goodwood?
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Having been away from Sidepodcast Towers for too long, it’s time to sit back, relax and catch up with the news and events from the past few days. We also discuss our last summer outing at Goodwood.
Intro
If last week’s show was good because of him, perhaps it’s time to think about going solo?
Good Week / Bad Week
Perhaps not.
Good week for helmets and making friends, but a bad week for Ferrari and F1 in general.
News and Views
We discuss details from the three day test at Hockenheim including Renault’s continual engine failures, the comparison between McLaren and Ferrari, and whether the anvil wing/shark fin is going to take over the sport.
Goodwood FoS
With an introduction from Steven Roy, we discuss our weekend, with not as much enthusiasm as expected. Several things didn’t live up to expectations, whilst other things were better than we could have hoped. Plus, we got free smoothies, made up a ridiculous pun, and took photos of Vicki Butler-Henderson. No complaints from us… except the few in the show.
Feedback
No feedback because let’s be honest, it’s only been four days since the last show.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:55 amme said:
fyi, alternate links:
http://cdn.sidepodcast.com/weekly/episode70.mp3
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/episode70-2
(really need to integrate these into the main post!)
July 17th, 2008 at 3:19 amJordan Allen said:
@Christine
I think if you looked at your spreadsheet from the French and British Grand Prix you will see that there has been quite a bit of moment in the top 10 positions.
I did the math and was expecting to finish fifth. So Fourth was an unexpected surprize. And your scores of the top five teams were off by an average of 300 points per driver.
The top 5 teams are trying to win you a prize for best league here…..
BTW Why no comments from the Top Senior manager about the new F1 team?
July 17th, 2008 at 7:45 amChristine said:
I just meant movement in the actual team names. I’m down in 116th so 4th is a spectacular achievement.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:14 amStuart Codling said:
Media day at Hockenheim – stand by for some noise this afternoon…
July 17th, 2008 at 10:47 amme said:
it was written in our show notes, but how the heck to do you explain the contents of 1,000+ comments in a way that’s not condescending to those involved, but also not utterly confusing to those outside of it?
yay. anyone expected to announce their retirement this weekend?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:45 amLynch said:
…also how can you NOT of liked the sculpture? It looked good to me! They had rock climbers going up it! At least it was better than the cr*ppy pringle with a hole in they had one year! (they had the renolt F1 car underneath it)
July 17th, 2008 at 11:45 amScott Woodwiss said:
heh 2 hours of podcast in the space of 4 days
Sadly i can’t listen to them just yet as the laptop i’m using has no working speakers, but at least i’ve got a lot to catch up and enjoy when my laptop gets back.
just quickly on the subject of our interview, my laptop should be back by 1st august which is a friday, so could we do it on the 2nd or 3rd? I think there’s a GP that weekend, not sure. Let me know
July 17th, 2008 at 11:49 amAlianora La Canta said:
Media day at Hockenheim – stand by for some noise this afternoon… {Stuart Codling - 2 comments ago}
Thanks for the heads-up. I’m not expecting much movement, but it will be interesting to see what movements people think will happen.
I’d been wondering for the past few days when the next issue of F1 Racing was going to turn up in the post, then I checked the preview section of last issue and realised it’s not due out for at least another week. Oops!
Incidentally, how did the priming go yesterday?
how the heck to do you explain the contents of 1,000+ comments in a way that’s not condescending to those involved, but also not utterly confusing to those outside of it? {me - previous post}
Erm… …”We decided to invent a new fantasy F1 team, simulating the preparations for a new F1 team?”
The pandas and TARDISes may take more explanation, though - and outsiders may find the idea that we think Timo Glock may have borrowed a TARDIS extremely bizarre…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:57 amme said:
it’s the hungarian gp that weekend, didn’t you say you were going to get a headset or something first?
July 17th, 2008 at 11:59 amSteven Roy said:
I have just received a reply from Goodwood about my ear protection e-mail. It is not exactly the most positive reply in the world. Did anyone see where they were selling ear defenders because after I saw people standing next to F1 cars while the engines were being fired up early in the morning I was constantly looking at who was wearing ear protection and who wasn’t and I didn’t see anyone selling ear protection.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:00 pmme said:
that’s just one of the problems. we also have the issue that the team is named after an actual drinks sponsor who had no say in their sponsorship of said team…
i kinda think the subtle approach is better in this instance
talking of which, all faulty lightbulbs will addressed on monday.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pmAlianora La Canta said:
I have just received a reply from Goodwood about my ear protection e-mail. It is not exactly the most positive reply in the world {Steven Roy - 2 comments ago}
Not the most relevant one either. Considering that this was an ear protection awareness campaign, the presence or absence of on-site ear defender salespeople shouldn’t have affected whether they were willing to lend their voices to a campaign. For that matter, if they sell defenders on-site, then surely they’d make more money if they joined a campaign that would indirectly increase sales of them?
we also have the issue that the team is named after an actual drinks sponsor who had no say in their sponsorship of said team… {me - previous comment}
I hadn’t thought of that…
talking of which, all faulty lightbulbs will addressed on monday. {me - previous comment}
July 17th, 2008 at 12:08 pmme said:
no. on the plus side at least you received a response, but it does sound like it’ll take “personal injury” followed by a lawsuit to make them pay attention. given today’s litigious society, i’m sure it’s only a matter of time.
we covered pretty much every inch of ground south of the wildcats. every stall, every manufacturer stand, but we didn’t see any.
mind you we didn’t see them for sale at silverstone either, so maybe we’re not the best ones to pass comment.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:14 pmme said:
agreed. although then we’d criticise them of profiteering
ear plugs should be given away freely at the gate. asking people to find a hidden sales stand isn’t a practical solution either.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:18 pmSteven Roy said:
The original message was not to get them to join a campaign Ali it was to get them to give out free ear protection to all and to display warning signs. I am surprised that they are not compelled to do that by law because in industry as soon as you hit 80dB an employer has to make ear protection available and at 83dB it is compulsory to use it. Those numbers may be out by a couple of dB because they reduced them recently. Standing next to one or more F1 engines is way over those numbers.
Still Rome wasn’t built in a day and as a wise man once said you have to eat an elephant a mouthful at a time.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:24 pmme said:
and we thought silverstone had issues dealing with the weather:
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photo…261&catID=1102-3080
July 17th, 2008 at 12:29 pmScott Woodwiss said:
i did, but I think the mic in my laptop is ok. depends on if i get any more money
on the other hand, i already have a mic so getting a headset at the moment for me would be a bit of a waste of money, but I will get one eventually. For now, I think the mic might be fine. We’ll see.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pmme said:
ok cool. in that case pencil in the weekend of the 17th august. we’ll let you know if anything changes.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pmStuart Codling said:
It should be landing on subscribers’ mats today or tomorrow, actually. Following feedback from readers, we’ve reinstated the announcement of when the next issue is out. It sort of fell out during the redesign when we decided not to have a preview of next month’s contents.
Not too bad, ta. Lots of stuff still to do because it’s a ’70s townhouse that hasn’t really felt the lick of a paintbrish since it was built (by the looks of things). Cat management is the real problem as we go into the gloss stage. Jasmine already has an extra splodge of white on her tail.
They’re not expensive at all and wouldn’t make much of a dent in profits. I suppose the only thing that would be a problem is litter.
It would cost nothing at all to print a warning on the tickets, along with the regular “Motorsport can be dangerous” disclaimer.
Bahrain’s circuit may be derided in some quarters, but they give out ‘plugs for free.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pmDank said:
Vettel to be announced as driver for RBR perhaps?
July 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pmSteven Roy said:
This sounds like a big story. Alonso to Ferrari, Max to retire, Button to finish a race. Something of that magnitude.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pmme said:
alonso said he’d announce his plans at monza didn’t he? that’s assuming he’ll have made up his mind by then of course.
any idea what the deal with bmw is on this one? is vettel actually free to move to rbr, or could bmw grab him back should the kub go elsewhere?
July 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pmme said:
had a quick look on google, but apart from a spurious patent, no-one seems to have cornered the market in biodegradable ear plugs
July 17th, 2008 at 12:57 pmDank said:
My understanding is the he is under contract with Red Bull 100% and was released from his BMW contract when he joined Toro Rosso in 2007. Dietrich Mateschitz has been quoted as saying numerous times that he thinks Vettel is the bees-knees and he will be staying with Red Bull for as long as possible.
McLaren were after his services towards the end of last year also, but RB weren’t budging.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pmScott Woodwiss said:
Just received on Autosport text - Vettel will partner Webber next season!
autosport.com article:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69187
July 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pmAlianora La Canta said:
The original message was not to get them to join a campaign Ali it was to get them to give out free ear protection to all and to display warning signs {Steven Roy - 9 comments ago}
OK, now the reply makes sense. Sorry for misunderstanding.
I am surprised that they are not compelled to do that by law {Steven Roy - 9 comments ago}
They probably are - but I imagine they get round it by putting a warning in tiny letters on the back of the ticket, or in the Terms and Conditions you have to agree to before getting the ticket. Since viewers are not employees of Goodwood, they’re not obliged to wear ear protection, but it would still be sensible for them to have provision.
and we thought silverstone had issues dealing with the weather: {me - 8 comments ago}
Is that really Hockenheim? Or is it some earlier race where there was a flood?
It should be landing on subscribers’ mats today or tomorrow, actually. {Stuart Codling - 6 comments ago}
Thank you for telling me. I’ve been looking forward to it for several days now
It could still turn up today, since the postman appears to be having a slow day and my house is the last one on his route (usually).
It sort of fell out during the redesign when we decided not to have a preview of next month’s contents. {Stuart Codling - 6 comments ago}
Quite understandable - one does tend to go with the other. I wonder how many people will be surprised to see who’s on the cover (assuming it is still Kubica)?
Cat management is the real problem as we go into the gloss stage. {Stuart Codling - 6 comments ago}
I can understand that - the cats at my house have an insatiable sense of curiosity
(though since I live on a farm, they are generally expected to stay outdoors…)
I suppose the only thing that would be a problem is litter. {Stuart Codling - 6 comments ago}
I can see the problem there - since earplugs go into the ear, it would be virtually impossible to recycle them because of the earwax and possibility of germs.
It would cost nothing at all to print a warning on the tickets, along with the regular “Motorsport can be dangerous” disclaimer. {Stuart Codling - 6 comments ago}
They probably do - the trick is getting them to print it in a font size people can actually read…
any idea what the deal with bmw is on this one? {me - 2 comments ago}
BMW made an agreement to release Vettel from his obligations to them last winter just before he was confirmed as a Toro Rosso driver. That factor is not an issue any more.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pmlou said:
Looks like your right.
Link - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69187
July 17th, 2008 at 1:08 pmScott Woodwiss said:
heh, sorry Lou but i got there first!
July 17th, 2008 at 1:11 pmSteven Roy said:
Don’t forget to update your fantasy racers. I have made wholesale changes to mine as my team has been heading south for the past few races. Raikkonen is out because I needed the budget and Rosberg is out and joining Lewis is Heikki and Heidfeld. Hopefully if it is good and wet it will be another McLaren race.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:12 pmme said:
you have good tea-leaves mr. dank
July 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pmme said:
i believe so, but i’ve no idea if that’s intentional flooding or a freak accident or quite what’s happened to be honest.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pmme said:
you’re betting on heikki if it’s wet??
okay fuji was a good performance, but silverstone said otherwise.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pmlou said:
Great podcast guys
. I’m pleased that you’re feeling better Christine 
. ‘me’ if you want to go solo you could always do a chalk board session 
That was pretty cool.
They should probably be up by the end of the day if anyone wants to have a look.
It’s strange to hear my own voice on the podcast though. Sorry about all the Honda mentions I was pretty nervous and hadn’t really had time to think about all of my day. I should have mentioned holding the Toyota steering wheel
Sorry I haven’t been around too much lately, I have been editing/ sorting through photos
July 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pmme said:
i loved the renault pringle hole
this year’s to me, looked like a rusty old mess of a relic. inside it was okay, but nothing to look at from a distance. toyota’s effort last year looked gorgeous in the evening too.
apologies that your comments keep going into moderation lynch. it’s not intentional i assure you. pls keep trying, we just have to teach the spam filter you’re nice really!
July 17th, 2008 at 1:25 pmme said:
i think i know my place tbh.
pls do link to them when they’re up.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:27 pmMattw said:
First race I ever went to - the British GP in 1986 (the last one at Brands) - they were handing out cardboard tubes full of goodies curtsey of Cellnet (remember them?). Amongst the goodies were some branded ear plugs.
If they can do it 86, you would have thought 2008 would not be a problem.
The cardboard tube also made a useful seat (It was our first race - we did not think to take chairs)
July 17th, 2008 at 1:29 pmMattw said:
We will see just what Vettel’s made of next year. That one is going to be interesting.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:30 pmlou said:
lol
will do
July 17th, 2008 at 1:33 pmme said:
do we think coulthard will see the entire of this season out?
July 17th, 2008 at 1:43 pmlou said:
I should think so, I hope so anyway. I can’t see why he wouldn’t tbh. Red bull aren’t going to do much better this season are they? I mean they are 1 point away from Toyota in 4th, but they aren’t going to be challenging McLaren in 3rd are they? DC is not doing as great as Webber, but i shouldn’t have thought Red Bull would get rid of him when he has already announced his retirement at the end of the season.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:44 pmAlianora La Canta said:
I think so, unless he makes a complete mess of things.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:45 pmMattw said:
Why not?
Vettel is in an RB3 already anyway, so they will not gain much.
Vettel is still young and the Toro Rosso environment suits him well at the moment. The more time they can give him there before moving him the ‘pressure cooker’ environment of being Webber’s team mate the better.
And to be honest, Vettel has crashed just as much as Coulthard this year. I’m not Coulthard’s biggest fan, but I don’t see any sense in a mid season shuffle.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:50 pmSteven Roy said:
Cellnet became O2. They used to sponsor a lot of motorsport and were the main sponsor of a top F3 team which had Damon Hill and Martin Donnelly as its drivers.
July 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pmme said:
one possibility might be STR wanting to get another driver in asap?
dc’s podium was well deserved, but there are two new races coming up where he doesn’t know the tracks, and in all honesty now doesn’t need too. so move vettel up to the RBR, clearing a space for next years STR driver to show what he’s got.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:03 pmMattw said:
Yes - the ‘Intersport’ team if I remember correctly.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:03 pmSteven Roy said:
I reckon next year’s STR driver is Senna and he is already doing two races per weekend and has a championship to try and win.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pmSteven Roy said:
Yes it was Intersport run by Glenn Waters.
Shame Donnelly had that accident. He was a real talent. I saw him at Autosport International and he still hobbles badly and looks like a chunk of his foot is missing.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:09 pmMattw said:
Could happen - if there was a big tallent waiting on the wings, like a new Hamilton or Vettel.
But is there anyone like that at the moment? Senna maybe, but I still think he needs more experience (in GP2) before stepping up.
How many free seats will there be next year? I’m not sure Toro Rosso needs to rush.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:21 pmme said:
but how important is that though? i don’t want to dismiss gp2, but if you were senna wouldn’t you rather be in an f1 car? it’s possible he could do with more experience (as mattw says) out of the limelight, but in that case, you’d give the guy a testing role next year anyways.
it’s not just the car vettel’s in, it’s also working with the team. presumably there will be a change when moving factories from italy to england.
i guess rbr will honour dc’s contract, but i think if it were me i’d be moving things around sooner rather than later.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:42 pmMattw said:
But how much running in an F1 car has Senna had?
Certainly try him out in a test, but rush him into a race seat? It could end up all ‘Piquet Tong’
(There’s a new nickname there
)
July 17th, 2008 at 2:53 pmEmily said:
Hehe alright I can’t hide anymore.
To be honest we didn’t get that lost until you two turned up.. does walking to the rally start point without noticing count?
Great podcast!
Sounds like you really need a weekend to see all there is to see at Goodwood, there’s so much to pack in that I think we missed in our F1 following crusade.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pmSteven Roy said:
I just noticed the ad at the bottom of this page. I have seen it before but it just registered with me what they were actually advertising. How good does that M1 look? It could be a modern car. Funny how some designs don’t seem to age.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:58 pmme said:
hi emily
ouch! although very likely, we do go out of our way to avoid the largest crowds, so we may not have taken the most direct route.
alternatively you can go for several years in a row
thanks you.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pmlou said:
Em! your first comment on Sidepodcast, Congrats
July 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pmLynch said:
SPAM
*Test*
July 17th, 2008 at 3:42 pmme said:
hahaha, erm, that may not be helping
July 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pmJoe said:
About DC, it would make more sense to leave DC in the seat for the rest of the year, might as well. Putting Vettel in the senior team mid-way through a season might be hard for the guy. DC might do what Wurz did in 07, and decide to leave one or two races before the end.
Something which I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere for a while, y’know with Prodrive not entering this year and maybe not next year, why not re-open the election for another team? It would be a great thing to do, especially with Super Aguri gone. I spose the idea of it seems a bit optimistic for fans of private teams, but surely even manufacturers would like to see more privateers too.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pmStuart Codling said:
You’re not alone in thinking that… see (ahem) this month’s F1 Racing…
July 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pmGaulty said:
Is that (ahem) a plug
Obvious choice really in Vettel, couldn’t really have anyone else. I reckon wild guess that Pantano will be the new STR driver.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pmScott Woodwiss said:
This is something my friend Lee came up with because he was a bit bored. Mind you, I reckon he’s got a good idea of what might happen
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhsg84tb_0gk2gh3tp
July 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pmLe BOL said:
Senna with Piquet Jr.! And two of them having a slanging match all year would be perfect. Although two Brazilian drivers in one team - that’s unlikely. Sauber 2003 line-up was quite surreal.
Glad for Vettel.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pmJoe said:
o_O at the Prodrive lineup. Seems a bit ambitious for what would be their 2nd season. If they still have a link with McLaren, Gary Paffet would almost certainly have a seat. And the other seat……..some up-and-coming guy from GP 2.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pmLe BOL said:
McLaren PR department went completely mad: they put Norbert Haug, LH and HK behind a ridiculous drum kit; photos look monstrous, worse than early Nirvana pics.
Mercedes safety driving school? Burning rubber and petrol. It goes from bad to worse. On the bright side: they brought Susie Stoddart.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmme said:
awwww..
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?ph…ID=1102-3080
July 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pmStuart Codling said:
Drums? I said there’d be some ‘noise’ – wasn’t expecting that sort of noise, though…
July 17th, 2008 at 5:21 pmLe BOL said:
Were they hitting hard as Bonzo or Dave Grohl? Or more like Nick Mason?
July 17th, 2008 at 6:05 pmJordan Allen said:
If you can not play the drums like Charlie Watts, you are just another Ringo Starr wannabe making a lot of noise…..
On the other hand, this could serve as another reason why the public should wear ear plugs to F1 sponoured events….
Jordan (Allen) F1.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:57 pmAlianora La Canta said:
According to windguru.com, it will rain at Hockenheim… …but only in the evenings after the F1 cars have been put away each day. Wind is pretty low except in qualifying, so some people may get caught out.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:18 pmLe BOL said:
If Ron starts one of his endless “to be or not to be” monologues then earplugs are essential.
“A fire scare that occurred in Red Bull Racing’s factory on Wednesday was triggered by a battery failure in the team’s new Kinetic Energy Recovery System…”
Said monsieur Horner: “It was not a major incident and never at any point dangerous, but one that we obviously had to take all precautions with.”
Hey, if it triggered the evacuation of the whole building what happens if it explodes during the race? A steam train on track? That’s radical. And we won’t need thermal images.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:26 pmSteven Roy said:
Glad to see that F1 Racing is on the ball
That intro doesn’t sound remotely like me. It sounds more like Colin McRae. I guess that’s what happens when I phone without thinking about it.
The sculpture was supposed to be a giant rock and the Fords were Land Rovers.
The Red Arrows were superb. I have seen quite a few of their displays and this was by far the best.
I managed to get within 4 feet of Lewis at the top of the hill when he ran completely out of turn in the afternoon but I didn’t have a camera. The only problem was I got trampled by swarms of 10 year old autograph hunters.
Max just got a mention on Mock the Week. The president of FIFA the governing body of football has described the transfer system as modern slavery. Someone suggested that Max probably thinks he is in the wrong sport.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:31 pmSteven Roy said:
I expected there to be safety problems with KERS but not before it was fitted to a car and running on a track.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pmme said:
but why?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:02 pmlou said:
My Goodwood photos are up on my flickr if anyone wants to have a look.
I have also managed to get Dad to buy me a Pro account
Link - http://www.flickr.com/photos/loujohnson/sets/72157606223805854/
July 17th, 2008 at 10:38 pmSteven Roy said:
No idea
July 17th, 2008 at 11:01 pmSteven Roy said:
http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/Company/Sponsorship/Goodwood_Festival_of_Speed.htm
It looks like Land Rover had the central display because they were sponsoring the event.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:07 pmme said:
last year it made sense. toyota were celebrating an anniversary so they got the main display too. previously it was renault.
i think they needed giant statues of hamilton and hawthorn standing up there.
btw: put a procar vid up on drop.io for you steven:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/procar-2
it’s not really f1 related but i thought you might be interested.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:08 pmLe BOL said:
Very moody in a good(wood) way, lovely. Klien photos are the best from my point of view. Although I like Solberg pic a lot.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:18 pmme said:
agreed. good stuff lou.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:32 pmlou said:
Thank you
I went with the intention to just enjoy the day but ended up getting some nice photos along the way 
Hopefully next year I will find some better spots on the hill to take photos of the cars in motion. I may also learn to stand up for myself a little more, people kept pushing me out of the way, consequently some of my shots involved people’s shoulders…. 
July 18th, 2008 at 12:05 amme said:
you’ll probably find that applies to life in general
…although steven managed to get mauled by a bunch of 10 year-olds.
July 18th, 2008 at 12:24 amlou said:
10 year olds? I’m ok with 10 year olds
It’s the scary crowds that push me over/ out of the way that I don’t like. I also don’t like being hit on the head by a digital camera as as people scrambled around trying to get some photos of the F1 cars. :/
July 18th, 2008 at 8:49 amStuart Codling said:
D Heath would never stand for that!
July 18th, 2008 at 8:52 amlou said:
July 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pmAlianora La Canta said:
It’s all part of the learning curve to becoming a professional photographer, lou
July 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pmFernando Torres said:
Heard you were looking for Franck Montagny. While you were at Goodwood, he’s been racing here in the U.S.A. in the American Le Mans Series, driving an Acura P2 with Marco Andretti. On July 12 he finished 6th, and yesterday he only managed 14th.
July 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pmScott Woodwiss said:
I LMAO’d at this, I’m sure you will too - what happens when you mix murray walker and snooker?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-oAsDCGNA&feature=related