F1 Digest – Hungary GP
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We were all expecting a dull race, so it’s nice to have a bit of a surprise waiting for us on track. Nobody said that all suprises have to be good ones.
The Race
As predicted, there was very little overtaking to be had, except perhaps off the line. All the excitement came from the tyres and from the pit stops, and the odd engine failure as well.
Conclusions
Those drivers having a good day had a supremely good day, count them, Kovalainen, Glock and Alonso. But for those who couldn’t make the end of the race, or who struggled every inch of the way there, they can only be glad there’s a three week break coming up.
your silence made me wonder a little 
August 3rd, 2008 at 19:01 #1 - me said:
heikki’s delusional. he didn’t push anyone anywhere, massa backed off having time in hand.
August 3rd, 2008 at 20:50 #2 - Rich said:
That is not the first time I felt him to be delusional. For Felipe – it was a superb race his start was as brilliant as anything that Lewis has done. When he was in the lead he did the correct thing to back off and to attempt to save the machinery (something Lewis needs to learn). It was as close to a perfect race as it is possibleto have until the engine blew. As far as being a long-deserved win – both Mark Webber and Nick Heidfeld are in my book are as good if not better drivers who have not won a GP since they have not been in cars as competitive. Heikki is in the best car so he should be winning at least some races.
August 3rd, 2008 at 21:04 #3 - me said:
just a quick update.
things are running a bit late here today and seeing as there’s no race for a few weeks, we’re going to kick tonight’s planned podcast over until tomorrow if that’s okay with y’all?
we have had some fab voicemails in this week, but there’s now an extra twenty-four hours to get your post hungary thoughts into us on:
0121 28 87225
ring in and let us know all what you made of the weekend’s action:
- what you think of the hungary gp being extended to 2016 and will it move to the circuit by the lake?
- what do you make of the fuel rig fires, and did f1 have a lucky escape this weekend?
- who’s your driver of the day, and why?
feel free to call us and vent your opinions on any of the above and more. you can also call us free if you use skype, just search for the username sidepodcast.
cheers
August 3rd, 2008 at 21:33 #4 - Scott Woodwiss said:
just sent one myself covering all of the above and a bit more, it’s about 7 mins, that ok for you?
August 3rd, 2008 at 21:45 #5 - me said:
good man
how long?? i’ll check it out shortly, thank you.
August 3rd, 2008 at 21:57 #6 - Scott Woodwiss said:
well look at it this way, at least it’s not 15mins.
August 3rd, 2008 at 22:50 #7 - Alex Andronov said:
I have left a message. I stumbled, mildly swore, said “um” about 16 times and I still took less than 60 seconds!
August 3rd, 2008 at 22:57 #8 - me said:
hehe, sounds like the perfect voicemail
August 4th, 2008 at 10:34 #9 - me said:
f1 traffic chaos:
Robert Kubica spotted a local man on the motorbike and jumped on the back to weave his way through the jam – before they also picked up Sebastian Vettel a few miles further up the road.
And Ferrari dispatched a few of their staff members down the motorway on team scooters to make sure Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen arrived on time.
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/69677
how big is a motorbike that can pick up two f1 drivers? is that normal?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:35 #10 - F1Wolf said:
Massa for once deserved to win the race. It was not to be for him yesterday but he again let everybody know that on his day he can be awesome …
I agree that there are several other drivers who perhaps deserve their first win more than Heikki, but unlike Heikki they do not have the car to do that. Luck went Heikki’s way yesterday, good for him, hopefuly he will realize it is a good feeling to win races and will begin to give Hamilton some run for his money.
Kimi should do some thinking, he no longer only looks like he does not care, it looks like he actualy does not care … Hard to win the titel that way. he can’t expect Hamilton to puncture tyre and Massa to blow the engine in all the remaining races …
August 4th, 2008 at 11:09 #11 - F1Wolf said:
Irony is that most of that traffic chaos was created by those 30,000 or so Kubica fans driving down from Poland
August 4th, 2008 at 11:10 #12 - Christine said:
Interesting that it says it was extra quiet due to the Olympics. Hadn’t thought of that!
August 4th, 2008 at 11:52 #13 - R.G (Formally known as Gaulty) said:
Well we all know that Vettel is a tall scrawny guy.
Is it alright if I send you an e-mail instead of a voicemail, simple reason is that I’ve got a cold.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:02 #14 - me said:
no probs, please do.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:24 #15 - R.G (Formally known as Gaulty) said:
christine-at-sidepodcast-dot-com is that it?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:41 #16 - me said:
that’s the one r.g.
August 4th, 2008 at 13:02 #17 - Steven Roy said:
Enjoyed the show Christine. It is quite amazing how quickly you turn them out.
I notice the thing on drop.io about Alonso going to Honda for one year and I have to ask why would he do that if he has a Ferrari contract for 2010? I am sure Renault will be thrilled that he is taking a massive pay cut to leave them. If it is only one year before he goes to Italy he wouls be as well sitting at Renault and picking up the big bucks.
August 4th, 2008 at 13:54 #18 - me said:
i saw that too.
if it’s true, there may be a performance clause that says “if honda are within x points of ferrari mid-season, you have to stay.”
that way the onus is on the team to make a car worthy of fighting for the championship.
alternatively brawn maybe gambling on kimi sticking around a while longer.
August 4th, 2008 at 14:21 #19 - lou said:
great podcast Christine
It was a great help considering I have only really just got my internet connection back and I haven’t had chance to read through the press releases etc yet. 
Autosport seem to have more infomation on this,
Link: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69683
August 4th, 2008 at 14:27 #20 - me said:
tis a good point. if honda can offer alonso a cotton-wool experience and give him a decent car, he may not want to go to ferrari anyhow.
the santander deal kinda confuses that theory though.
August 4th, 2008 at 15:08 #21 - Steven Roy said:
I just don’t see Honda being turned around that quickly. It took nearly 5 years to get Ferrar in a position to challenge and that was with the help of Bert and Ernie. Honda may be marginally more competitive next year but there is no basis to assume they will make a huge step forward.
It would just be embarrassing for them to have a lot of attention focussed on them because Alonso was driving for them and for them to be unable to deliver. Besides I thought Nick Fry was convinced Button was the best driver on the grid. It doesn’t say much for him if they think Alonso will turn up and improve things dramatically
August 4th, 2008 at 15:15 #22 - me said:
he said “fittest”
August 4th, 2008 at 15:42 #23 - Steven Roy said:
They haven’t been paying him a fortune for his fitness. That’s a thought is Jenson not rumoured to be on more than they are offering Alonso? I kept reading that he was third behind Kimi and Fernando although no doubt Lewis is in that territory now. If Alonso found out Button was on more than him they would have to replace every door in the motor home.
August 4th, 2008 at 15:50 #24 - Alex Andronov said:
It will be a new contract next year… I am guessing it will be for a lot less money. And Jenson will have to take it.
August 4th, 2008 at 15:50 #25 - Alex Andronov said:
ps. Me on IE7 on this page (non-live comments version) I have to press tab twice to get to the post button. This is most unnaceptable
August 4th, 2008 at 15:55 #26 - me said:
i thought they were paying him extra to cover the costs he had to pay frank in order not to drive for him?
grr
August 4th, 2008 at 16:06 #27 - Rich said:
The whole Alonso to Honda deal still seems strange to me. Renault have shown astonishing resolve to get their car from near the back of the grid to close to the front (in the last two races they have averaged 8 points per race compared to 5 point per race for Toyota and 4 points for BMW Sauber). Even Ferrari has only averaged 7.5 points per race. Why move to Honda, even for a year? I guess its retirement for Rubens which is a pity.
August 4th, 2008 at 16:12 #28 - Rich said:
I had no idea that Jenson was paid so much! I like him, but not sure he is worth that much viz (third or fourth highest paid driver on the grid).
August 4th, 2008 at 16:15 #29 - lou said:
Now that’s not very environmentally friendly.
August 4th, 2008 at 16:19 #30 - Rich said:
BMW Sauber claim they are not abandoning development of their 2008 car (though it looks that way to everyone else). Here is quote which is rather worrying…
August 4th, 2008 at 16:28 #31 - me said:
he’s quite marketable. i mean you wouldn’t want kubica fronting your global watch campaign would you?
mind you, button currently has a very strange taste in eyewear.
August 4th, 2008 at 16:31 #32 - Christine said:
He’s in the window of a jewellery shop near where I work. I see him most lunchtimes
At one point I thought he’d been replaced by David Beckham. But no fear.
It’s an old picture though, he’s still in his BAR gear.
August 4th, 2008 at 16:34 #33 - Rich said:
I think if Alonso joined my team all walls would be padded and internal doors replaced with those vertical strips of plastic (like plastic streamers) and outside doors replaced with indestructible metal security gates! All cutlery would be disposable brittle plastic and glassware and china replaced with clear plastic and melamine! Not sure it is worth refitting your Motorhome for just ONE year!
August 4th, 2008 at 16:38 #34 - lou said:
lol, you say that but in this weeks autosport the photo they used for the advert was really not that flattering.
I didn’t mind the white ones. But the ones he was wearing this week….
But he gets them from Ray Bans who sponsor the team, right? So presumably they don’t cost him much/anything….
August 4th, 2008 at 16:41 #35 - Steven Roy said:
I will never understand why BAR decided to pay him so much money. He has never done anything to suggest he is anything special. Mark Hughes did a comparison of the performances of drivers against their team mate at the half way stage of the season and the most evenly matched team mates were Button and Barrichello and no-on thinks Rubens should be pulling in that much money.
Being in the same car as Alonso could finish Button. People will expect him to perform like Lewis and he is not that good. The only way he can beat Alonso is to get inside his head and that doesn’t really fit with his image.
If I was Alonso and I had a Ferrari contract in my pocket for 2010 I wouldn’t change teams. Even if I thought Ross Brawn was going to work his magic what is the point going there for one season and alienating people by leaving. If things don’t work out at Ferrari you have just killed off one of the few escape routes.
If I was Honda I wouldn’t sign him for one year. They risk devaluing the driver who would be his team mate and losing another very experienced very competent development driver in Rubens.
I just don’t get what is in this deal for either party unless there is no Ferrari contract.
August 4th, 2008 at 16:46 #36 - Rich said:
You have a point there – Nick would be good to front such a campaign – he was once asked how he would like to dispose of all of his wealth and spoke about improving water quality in the developing countries since he had read about the number of deaths caused by a lack of access to clean water.
Back to Jenson he is rather more marketable than most of the F1 drivers. I always thought Anthony Davidson and Nico Rosberg were also very marketable. I quite like Mark Webber but he must have offended some folks with his frank language. I was surprised by both Sebs in interviews and Rubens does not do a bad job on the PR front either – his English is better than Fernando’s (come to think of it so is PKs better).
August 4th, 2008 at 16:47 #37 - me said:
wise choice… less green
August 4th, 2008 at 16:51 #38 - Steven Roy said:
I bet Ray Ban use as much green as they can to make people want to wear sunglasses
August 4th, 2008 at 17:00 #39 - Rich said:
My point – I do not really buy the issue that one driver can gain 0.6 secs a lap. Why would Honda want Alonso he is hardly Mr Cheerful, rather wait until you have a car than can perform – I almost would understand Toyota having a go for Alonso as the car is starting to show promise – in Hungary it looked smooth in both drivers hands?
With respect to Jenson this year, Rubens has overall driven rather better (even if you exclude the British GP). Sure last year Jenson drove better. I am a bit of a Jenson fan, he is certainly marketable but there are many drivers who are probably as good a driver (e.g. Mark Webber, Jarno Trulli).
August 4th, 2008 at 17:20 #40 - Jordan Allen said:
Why is everyone assuming that it is Barrichello who is leaving when it is Barrichello who is the cost-efficient driver at Honda?
With Button, DC, and Davidson not racing, if any of you are the least bit patriotic to the Britian you will all have to be Hamilton fans, and you will not be able to complain about the uber-pro Hamilton basis the the BBC will provide when they hired the entire ITV crew to cover F1….
But I can help, I just happen to know an immgration lawyer who will help you set up shop in North America, where you are free to cheer for the F1 driver of you choice, and you will not get ITV/BBC coverage of the races. And best of all, I get 7% for bringing him new clients. I will be richer than Mad Max himself…..
August 4th, 2008 at 17:47 #41 - me said:
i haven’t supported a brit since mansell, and even then i was too young to know better.
August 4th, 2008 at 17:57 #42 - me said:
he could be lulling mclaren into a false sense of security?
certainly worked for massa, nobody saw that coming.
kimi could be doing the ultimate form of sandbagging – get everyone relaxed during the break and then knock ‘em dead from valencia onwards.
August 4th, 2008 at 18:08 #43 - Le BOL said:
Hallo, les peuples!
Just got back from the miniholiday to check out what my dvd recorder has to offer – it was better than I expected. Heikki looked like a shiny metal thermos on the podium and my man Piquet Jr. pushed Jarno off the track in what was one of the finest F1 moves I’ve ever seen. Delightful. Have you heard about this Balatonring thing? Maybe they could move the race there after Hungaroring’s deal is over?
Oh, and “welcome to the world of winning” – I wonder if Ron’s been saying it for ages to his drivers or it was improvised?
August 4th, 2008 at 18:13 #44 - Le BOL said:
And who the hell is “Benteyn Pierre-Emeric, RBR-Renault” new engine man?
August 4th, 2008 at 18:27 #45 - me said:
i’m sure it’s no coincidence that berger’s recent outing in his STR was originally planned to happen in the city of budapest, before a late change on the part of the organisers.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/balaton-ring
August 4th, 2008 at 18:41 #46 - Scott Woodwiss said:
that’s a nice looking layout. has a valencia vibe about it don’t you think?
August 4th, 2008 at 18:50 #47 - R.G (Formally known as Gaulty) said:
Did you get the e-mail me?
As the track, its seems to have everything, esses, straights, hairpins, 45o angles
August 4th, 2008 at 18:50 #48 - me said:
assuming you mean circuito ricardo torno, then yeah i agree.
August 4th, 2008 at 18:51 #49 - Christine said:
That’s a long old back straight it’s got.
August 4th, 2008 at 18:51 #50 - Christine said:
All received thank you.
August 4th, 2008 at 18:52 #51 - me said:
and they’ve stolen the last corner from magny-cours.
August 4th, 2008 at 19:00 #52 - Scott Woodwiss said:
correct
August 4th, 2008 at 19:03 #53 - Scott Woodwiss said:
nah, the corner before last is too sweeping. i think it looks more like the new section on barcelona or the first corner at oscheschleben.
Certainly does have a more western european look about it. At least there’ll be more overtaking thats for sure
August 4th, 2008 at 19:56 #54 - Steven Roy said:
The gravel traps make me think this is yet another anti-clockwise track. It is as flat as a kart track. The one thing the current track has is gradient change.
August 4th, 2008 at 20:10 #55 - me said:
you could be onto something there. that makes the first corner a bit peculiar though doesn’t it?
August 4th, 2008 at 21:52 #56 - Alianora La Canta said:
how big is a motorbike that can pick up two f1 drivers? is that normal? {me – 46 comments ago}
That must have been an absolutely massive motorbike!
But I can help, I just happen to know an immgration lawyer who will help you set up shop in North America {Jordan Allen – 16 comments ago}
Good offer, but Ireland’s closer, has no current F1 drivers and still gets TV coverage that isn’t delayed/cut short by NASCAR. And I can spend half the year there without bothering with any immigration documentation.
Though I have a simpler solution; I allow myself to consider supporting drivers on a basis other than nationality (I’d continue to support Hamilton as well, but that doesn’t excuse ITV’s coverage)…
August 4th, 2008 at 22:39 #57 - Jordan Allen said:
Not really. I think of it in the idea of “How many American college students can you fit in a VW bug?”
But at the race yesterday. Did anyone else notice that Kimi was about as tall as Kovi and the where about the same size as the politicans handing out the hardware? Now it the Politicians are of average Height, I can imagine three F1 drivers taking up the same volume of space as a normal person nowadays.
Nor does the eastern seaboard. As a matter of fact, Most of the F1 races are broadcast live first thing the morning, so the first thing you do after buggin Christine for 90 minutes is to have your mid day lunch. Your are free to enough your afternnons to wander outside or watch NASCAR live as you see fit.
The big problem is with the Canadian Grand Prix as it is in the same time zone.
Awwww, come on. Support you over-rated English F1 driver. I was not laughing this hard at ITV’s / BBC’s pro-British BS since Damon Hill was driving for Williams and you could clearly see that JV was the better driver….
August 4th, 2008 at 23:09 #58 - me said:
good answer
August 4th, 2008 at 23:10 #59 - Jeremy said:
Maybe Alonso is trying to get Brawn to come back to Ferrari with him?
Or perhaps some other key personnel are defecting. I think the relationship a driver has with his engineer/s is far more important than is ever suggested.
August 5th, 2008 at 00:07 #60 - Alianora La Canta said:
Nor does the eastern seaboard. {Jordan Allen – 2 comments ago}
The eastern seaboard is still further away than Ireland, plus I’d have to get a visa to go there at all (long story – when they tell you all British people can get into the USA without visas, they don’t mention the exceptions)…
I was not laughing this hard at ITV’s / BBC’s pro-British BS since Damon Hill was driving for Williams and you could clearly see that JV was the better driver…. {Jordan Allen – 2 comments ago}
Um… …if it weren’t for Damon, I probably wouldn’t have got interested enough in F1 to have this conversation with you. And I’m still not convinced Jacques Villnueve was particularly great.
I think the relationship a driver has with his engineer/s is far more important than is ever suggested. {Jeremy – previous post}
You’re right. It’s worth remembering that when Michael Schumacher went to Ferrari, a lot of engineers from Benneton accompanied him…
August 5th, 2008 at 01:32 #61 - Jordan Allen said:
Visa, you need a VISA to the enter the states? how odd. They seem to accept my old Jordan Sponoured 1998 MasterCard….. :p .
BTW wrong country. The country I am taking about has the better beer and more culture, (granted mostly “French” culture) than yogurt, can spell proper English, and allows British subjects entry with just their passports.
I was being somewhat nice hear by saying that JV was the better driver between himself and Damon Hill. Both drivers were teammates in the Williams in JV’s rookie year. Since Frank Williams always allows his drivers to fight it out and since JV did not have any experience of most of those F1 circuits (coming from Indycar, a Indycar feeder series, and then highly doubtly useful experience in the Japanese series, I would have expected Hill, to steamroller JV.
What happens? JV comes within a lap of winning his first ever F1 race, wins his 4th F1 race, and takes the championship down to the wire. Not a great driver maybe. But I guess the two grestest ever drivers of F1 are Giuseppe Farina and Giancarlo Baghetti, and no one else, can ever dare come close to their accomplishments.
August 5th, 2008 at 08:05 #62 - Stuart C said:
Morning all,
Thanks again to everyone for their help in rogue-F1-Racing-site-gate. It turns out that the site is indeed legitimate – something cooked up by the marketing people. If you handed over your details then you’ll probably get an email offering you a subscription at a discount rate, or something like that.
It’s been a busy weekend so I haven’t had many opportunities to comment. There was an amusing moment at the Bridgestone media dinner on Saturday night, but I’ve been beaten to the punch by Jonny at Autosport (see the last entry in ‘Paddock Life’).
Maybe I should drop in some thoughts about the Hungarian GP. As an event – one to actually attend – I think it’s rather good. Budapest can be reached cheaply (my Malev flight was about £80 – Jock Clear and Andrew Shovlin were also on it on the flight out, and Mike Gascoyne on the way back). Hotels are plentiful and inexpensive. The city itself is beautiful and there’s lots to do in the evening. The track isn’t far away. As a spectator circuit, the Hungaroring has much to commend it: you can get close to the action and the cars get quite out of shape when the drivers are really nailing it.
But, yes, the layout doesn’t suit overtaking, so I can see where the people who’d like it struck from the calendar are coming from.
August 5th, 2008 at 08:29 #63 - me said:
good to hear sir.
i got a free pdf download, which is lovely.
question is, now that it’s been proven to be technically possible, is it something you can offer to your overseas subscribers so that they receive issues in a timely manner?
jonny didn’t say, but i’m assuming the replacement had something to do with ed gorman being mia?
August 5th, 2008 at 10:52 #64 - Stuart C said:
It may be…
It was someone from a different paper. Sadly, I heard that Ed’s absence was brought about by a family bereavement…
August 5th, 2008 at 12:25 #65 - me said:
darn it.
ahh, sorry to hear that. the weekend wasn’t the same without him.
August 5th, 2008 at 13:15 #66 - Steven Roy said:
Another part of the 2009 driver market has snapped into place with Toyota announcing that they intend to keep their current line up
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=43592
Franck to have Honda F1 driver as team mate for next 2 races
The driver in question is former Honda test driver James Rossiter.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20649.html
August 5th, 2008 at 13:18 #67 - Steven Roy said:
I double linked and didn’t get moderated
August 5th, 2008 at 13:41 #68 - me said:
i guess that isn’t a surprise. it took toyota forever to shift ralf onto pastures new, when we could all see he was as useless as a chocolate teapot.
presumably with the car moving towards the front of the grid it’s a decent lineup that’s working for them. glock’s not done a bad job as a semi-rookie has he?
August 5th, 2008 at 13:42 #69 - me said:
you playing fast and lose with akismet again?
August 5th, 2008 at 16:02 #70 - Jordan Allen said:
Oh, I would not be too sure of that, me. If I really do think hard enough, I am sure I can find a use (it might be rather mean or cruel), for that chocolate teacup.
Jordan (Allen) F1.
August 5th, 2008 at 18:37 #71 - me said:
there’s a video kicking about today, featuring nico running around the streets of moscow in his williams. it’s way too pr oriented for our liking (and thus never likely to see the light of day on sidepodcast tv), however if you’re interested it’s on drop.io and embedded here:
download: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/williams-around-moscow
August 5th, 2008 at 18:54 #72 - Mattw said:
The toyata line up looks like a good middle of the grid team. However if they want to complete for race wins and championships, they will need a front line driver (or two).
Hmm, rubbish all year, then pops in a good performance when the contract comes up for renewal – sounds like he has been taking advice from Ralf
I was a good performance at Hunguary – lets see if he can keep that up…
August 5th, 2008 at 18:57 #73 - Mattw said:
Thinking about it – Toyota is probbly the only team on the grid who could actually gain some benifit by putting up the cash to bring Alonso on board for 1 year.
August 5th, 2008 at 19:22 #74 - me said:
he did okay in canada didn’t he?
August 5th, 2008 at 20:49 #75 - Mattw said:
OK, yes, but it was a bit of a ‘Safty car special’
August 5th, 2008 at 22:50 #76 - Le BOL said:
The reason why Finns are racing in F1.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/thefinnishspirit40
August 5th, 2008 at 23:03 #77 - me said:
yeah, that’s true. he finished ahead of his teammate, but i guess we shouldn’t give him too much credit.
that’s a fabulous picture
August 6th, 2008 at 09:43 #78 - R.G (Formally known as Gaulty) said:
Yeah. Someone made this one based on it
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/finnsotherguys
August 6th, 2008 at 15:56 #79 - Steven Roy said:
Someone produced a statistic a few years ago and asked the question why the two countries that had produced the highest number of F1 and rally world champions per head of population were Finland and Scotland. No-one could figure out why or what the two countries had in common. Until now. It can only be free booze.
August 6th, 2008 at 16:08 #80 - me said:
we had conversation during live commenting in hungary about football teams, most of it went over my head, but does anyone know if this is a good thing:
http://ukpress.google.com/arti…HeGxdLHv9h5hgVQ
“Tottenham have become the first Barclays Premier League club to sign up for the new Superleague Formula racing championship.”
this daft idea’s actually going ahead then?
August 6th, 2008 at 16:47 #81 - Stuart C said:
Two further amusing snippets from the weekend:-
On Sunday night we were heading back to our hotel from a restaurant when a man accosted us on the street with the following bizarre proposition: “You want come to f—ing house?”
On Monday at Ferihegy (not a space station) I was getting in the lift with Jonny from Autosport when we noticed that above the row of buttons was a classic piece of Ronspeak describing the elevator’s function: “Duplex up-and-down collective”. We speculated as to whether the lifts in the McLaren factory are badged thus.
August 6th, 2008 at 17:20 #82 - Steven Roy said:
I think this means that Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool were not interested. I thought when this was first dreamt up five years ago it was a stupid idea and I haven’t changed my opinion. I can see no logic to it. The football club fans are simply going to complain that the money spent on this could have been spent on players and the racing fans are going to think it is just another unneeded class to clutter the calendar. Even people like me who follow both sports have no interest in it.
Didn’t you do a pice on MTC a couple of months ago? I am sure they kept a few secrets but I would have thought the lifts could be shown.
August 6th, 2008 at 17:51 #83 - Jordan Allen said:
Good god! Duplex implies that the elevator travles in both directions at the same time! Did the elevator rip itself in half? That’s quite dangerous! Did anybody get hurt?
Stuart, the next time you are in an elevator, make sure that it is only half-duplex as that means it moves in one direction at a time.
August 6th, 2008 at 17:52 #84 - Stuart C said:
Yes. The curved glass in the lifts made my eyes pop so I took the stairs…
August 6th, 2008 at 20:11 #85 - Stuart C said:
If only I’d known what peril I was in!
August 6th, 2008 at 22:00 #86 - Alianora La Canta said:
Duplex implies that the elevator travles in both directions at the same time! {Jordan Allen – 3 comments ago}
Don’t worry, it just means that the lifts are connected to each other. When one lift box is going up, the other is going down. It saves energy.
There’s a really cool paternoster lift in the Arts Tower at the University of Sheffield that works on the duplex principle (and is one of only two functional ones in the UK). The Hungarian version is probably more advanced.
August 6th, 2008 at 22:12 #87 - R.G (Formally known as Gaulty) said:
Agreed. Why the hell are we bothering with it. Unless its Dimitar Berbatov driving our car, I don’t give a damn about it.
August 7th, 2008 at 00:22 #88 - Alianora La Canta said:
I have a vague interest in this Superleague thingy, but that’s purely because FMSI are involved in running one of the teams. Nothing to do with the football (face it, I hardly keep track of what division my local team’s in…)
August 7th, 2008 at 00:42 #89 - Jordan Allen said:
@Ali:
Two elevators connected to each other so that one is the counterweight to the other is actually a double half-duplex connection.
Half-Duplex ==> A carrier (The elevator “lift”) can move the contents (people) in one direction and only one direction at a given moment in time. it is however capable of bi-directional travel. Goes up. Stops. Then goes down. This has nothing to do with number of elevator shafts there are.
(Full) Duplux ==> A carrier (The elevator) can move contents in both directions (sned/receive) at the sme moment in time. As you can see this would be dangerous as certain atoms would be heading in the opposite direction to other atoms.
Simplex ==> A carrier (The elevator) can move contents in only one direction at any given moment in time. (Basically, someone has cut the Elevator cable.)
August 7th, 2008 at 00:47 #90 - me said:
sounds like sc had a very lucky escape
August 7th, 2008 at 00:52 #91 - Jordan Allen said:
Yes, especially how telecommunications are so important to the media nowdays in the collection of information for their reports, you would have think that the word “Duplex” itself would have set Stuart running in the other direction from the elevator.
August 7th, 2008 at 01:10 #92 - Steven Roy said:
Bernie needs to fit in more races. 4 days into a three week break and elevator geekdom has broken out. I dread to think what we will be discussing in two weeks time.
August 7th, 2008 at 01:59 #93 - Alianora La Canta said:
Turns out that duplex lifts are exactly like the sort of lift generally found in posh hotels. Here is a diagram of a duplex lift; it doesn’t appear to require any atoms to move in opposite directions. Whether the people who invented the term ever passed GCSE Physics is another matter entirely…
August 7th, 2008 at 03:44 #94 - Jordan Allen said:
Well, considering that we are off-work for three weeks what are the geeks and boffins to do but to attempt to work out possible personal transporter systems like the elevator or in my case, the transporter. What you see before you is the classic fight between a mechanical Engineer vs. the Electrical Engieer. The Mechanical Engineer beleives that if want to move someone up a building you launch them with enough force that they go splat once they reach that floor.
the Electrical Engineer says to vapourise them to the point where most of their atoms reach that floor. As you can see, in both cases the people have reached the desired floor, just the means are different.
And no, you did not explicitly state that you wished the test subject to be alive and in one piece when the floor was reached. You just asked a test subject to reach the X floor.
August 7th, 2008 at 05:28 #95 - Jordan Allen said:
And yes, Ali and myself are working on installing elevator systems so that our heroes “Memory Boy” and “Research Girl” do not have to climb up all those damn stairs to the penthouse of Sidepodcast Towers after changing into “mild-mannered” Christine and “Me” from their secret cave-lair.
It is really tough fighting “Jokers” like Jean Todt and “Two-Faced” people like Ron Dennis…..
And please Christine and Me, come up with a cooler superhero car than a MInardi Two-seater….
August 7th, 2008 at 08:02 #96 - Stuart C said:
What I need, then, is a kind of Duplex Detector, with which I can perform an unobtrusive ’sweep’ before getting in any lift. The thought of atoms travelling in opposite directions is enough to make anyone take the stairs (best avoided since I work on the fifth floor).