Daily: 19th November 2008
The second day of testing seemed to be much quieter in terms of us all jumping on the pictures and times as they became available. However, it’s all still interesting information to be poured over, so hopefully day three will give us more of the same. There’s plenty of discussion going in the comments about various topics both related to F1 and not so much, and here’s a quick run down of some of those things:
Regarding that testing and those drivers
- How did Pedro de la Rosa get on in the Force India? Not great, but why was he there and will they be shipping him off to the back markers?
- Ferrari unveiled some significant KERS work, so have they been playing down their achievements in this field so far?
- The BMW boys believe the 2009 wings are as ugly as we think, so the question is, who in F1 does actually like them?
Outside the Formula 1 world:
- There’s Sidepodcast’s Xmas party to be discussed, a Sidepodparty, if you will.
- We’re still covering the space station, apparently there’s a sonic screwdriver on the loose
- Which are better: traditional or iced mince pies?
November 19th, 2008 at 00:11me said:
according to grandprix.com very little chance:
“De la Rosa is acknowledged to be a very good test driver and while the excitable Spanish media might like the idea of him racing next year, it seems rather unlikely as at 37 he is a little old to be battling with the youngsters. It is more likely if there is to be a change at Force India that the deal would go to another driver with McLaren links, such as Paul di Resta.”
November 19th, 2008 at 00:16Dave In NZL said:
“Ferrari unveiled some significant KERS work, so have they been playing down their achievements in this field so far?”
It may be as simple as their relationship with Magneti Marelli (a FIAT subsidiary)-
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/people/281799/exclusive-magneti-marelli-reveal-f1-kers.html
November 19th, 2008 at 00:17Dave In NZL said:
“The BMW boys believe the 2009 wings are as ugly as we think, so the question is, who in F1 does actually like them?”
Not these guys, obviously, who lament the changes to recent racecars with images of some monstrosities.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/opinion/282271/its-all-too-ugly.html
November 19th, 2008 at 00:25me said:
someone needs to tell them rce boys that two wrongs don’t make a right
November 19th, 2008 at 00:27Journeyer said:
PDR, not PDLR!
November 19th, 2008 at 00:29me said:
November 19th, 2008 at 01:12Alianora La Canta said:
De la Rosa is not going to be getting any further Force India gigs if he carries on like that. Not only was he very slow, but he hit Gary Paffett.
Personally, I think di Resta will get a test seat in 2009 with a view to possibly promoting him in 2010. I cannot see McLaren letting di Resta do F1 without doing GP2 to a decent standard first.
November 19th, 2008 at 01:14Jordan Allen (Science trick here!) said:
Someone should also tell the RCE boys that it takes three lefts to make a right.
However, Two Wongs can make a decent Chinese Restaurant….
November 19th, 2008 at 01:22me said:
you.are.kidding?
oh dear. maybe he was conducting some crash tests on the tub?
November 19th, 2008 at 03:13Steven Roy said:
sidepodspace update
The post spacewalk briefing has just finished. The bag with the various tools in/on it that was lost is as big as a big backpack and weighs 30 pounds. Or at least it would on the ground. Despite comments at the time they are now saying it does not have one of their electric screwdriver PGTs. The bag which should have been tethered inside a much bigger bag had two grease guns tethered to it.
One of these guns leaked/exploded and while this grease was being cleaned up the astronaut pulled the bag out of the bigger bag and sat it to her side expecting it to be tethered and it just floated away. They have video of it and you can see that she realises the problem when it is only about 2 feet out of her reach but there was nothing that could be done.
They are tracking it and it is now 4000m ahead of the station and 200m below and heading away. So there is no chance of it hitting the station. Just before the bag went awol they opened a hatch and a bolt floated out and headed towards the cargo bay of the shuttle. No-one knows what happened to it.
November 19th, 2008 at 03:26me said:
sounds like they have a “christine” on board.
November 19th, 2008 at 09:03Jon Waldock said:
what are iced mince pies?
November 19th, 2008 at 09:14Scott in Italy said:
I’m only replying to this so it increases the chance of a certain person seeing the post:) seems a little harsh if you ask me. I blame whoever packed the grease gun although mission control was replying that what the astronaut said “sounds strange” with a slight hint in the voice that says “we think that’s because you got it wrong”.
does Sidepodcast Towers have a postal address so I can send you a Christmas postcard?
November 19th, 2008 at 11:02Journeyer said:
Is it just me or is YouTube having problems? Is anyone else currently having issues with it? Both me and my sister aren’t able to watch videos, and we work on different PCs.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:06Dank said:
The Mark Webber Challenge kicked off today in Tasmania. Well, yesterday I guess seeing as that side of the world is several hours in front of us.
Shall we put together a Sidepodcast team? It looks like a relaxing few days in the Tasmanian countryside…
November 19th, 2008 at 11:16Steven Roy said:
I can play the videos on the front page but if I search for something I can’t play anything the search returns.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:18Alianora La Canta said:
you.are.kidding?
oh dear. maybe he was conducting some crash tests on the tub? {me - 6 comments ago}
me, I am sorry to say I am not kidding. However, I am not at all sorry to see McLaren’s sense of humour afterwards…
Crash testing? I hadn’t thought of that one. Not sure doing that test when there was only one McLaren on track (as opposed to the two that were on track yesterday) was the greatest time to do such testing, however. And besides, I thought between the two race drivers, Raikkonen and Nakajima, there’d been enough crash testing of the 2008 Force India already…
November 19th, 2008 at 11:19Alianora La Canta said:
Is it just me or is YouTube having problems? Is anyone else currently having issues with it? {Journeyer - 4 comments ago}
I’m happily listening to Evanescence over YouTube at the moment, and I searched for it.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:21Alianora La Canta said:
Shall we put together a Sidepodcast team? It looks like a relaxing few days in the Tasmanian countryside… {Dank - 3 comments ago}
Possibly not, as we’d have to raise lots of sponsorship to go on that little jolly (though it’s worth saying four people could go). Plus I can’t kayak or do camping, and I’ll need practise if I’m going to manage either on a long expedition.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:28me said:
you can email christine, but, without wishing to sound rude, we don’t really want one.
you know us, we love virtual, everything we do is online. same reason we don’t send out any of those those silly old-school reflective disc shaped things containing our videos (people do ask).
November 19th, 2008 at 11:30me said:
didn’t you challenge mark once already this year?
November 19th, 2008 at 11:33Dank said:
Yes. It’s payback time.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:33me said:
ah-ha, is true. i love that pitpass piccy, but this whole mclaren sense of humour thing is becoming unnerving.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:36Steven Roy said:
On Ollie’s personal blog a few days ago he and I discovered that our attempts at kayaking ended similarly with us upside down in the water. Maybe we have four people around here who can do all this stuff but unless engines are involved it ain’t for me.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:42me said:
if it means going outside, count us out too.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:44me said:
they look more alike everyday:
November 19th, 2008 at 11:48me said:
now they look lopsided as too:
it’s like they’re doing it on purpose.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:56Journeyer said:
Hmmm. So it ISN’T just me then. I found out that I can play some videos, but not all. Maybe one of their servers is down?
what’s with those sidepods? very odd.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:58Christine said:
No no no no no no no!
November 19th, 2008 at 11:59Journeyer said:
Aren’t these 2009 cars getting uglier by the day? Hehe.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:15Steven Roy said:
That is the Ferrari KERS system under the right sidepod. Looks like they will have to move everything tht is normally in the right pos to the left.
If that KERS is as heavy and as high up as the bulk suggests that thing is never going to make it round a left hand corner.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:21Alianora La Canta said:
they look more alike everyday: {me - 6 comments ago}
Oh dear. Does this mean Button will take a sabbatical in 2010 to go on a round-the-world fishing expedition, then come back and lead a seemingly lost cause like the FIA?
November 19th, 2008 at 12:29Alianora La Canta said:
We have times:
Vettel 1:19.245 (44 laps)
Bourdais 1:19.839 (62 laps)
Buemi 1:20.154 (64 laps)
Paffett 1:21.140 (40 laps)
Button 1:21.515 (43 laps)
Klien 1:21.534 (46 laps)
Heidfeld 1:21.592 (52 laps)
Piquet Jr 1:22.148 (66 laps)
Senna 1:22.826 (61 laps)
Badoer 1:22.946 (71 laps)
Hulkenberg 1:22.946 (19 laps - what happened to him?)
de la Rosa 1:23.101 (44 laps)
Fisichella 1:23.252 (58 laps)
Source: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=36607
November 19th, 2008 at 12:45Journeyer said:
In our STR watch, Bourdais is very much ahead of Buemi right now. He’s up by 3 tenths.
Senna is doing respectably, but I don’t know how close he is to Di Grassi’s times yesterday.
Vettel had problems at the start of the day, but it seems like he’s bounced back from that.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:59Alianora La Canta said:
So on times, you reckon Bourdais and Sato should be the STR duo for next season? It would certainly meet with my approval.
The pace has increased half-a-second, but that doesn’t tell us a lot without knowing what programme everyone is on.
November 19th, 2008 at 13:22me said:
not sure, but le seb doesn’t sound happy:
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/11/19/str-s-driver-decision-is-purely-a-financial-issue/
mind you, when does he?
November 19th, 2008 at 13:42Steven Roy said:
Sounds like he will have a book out soon like Rubens
November 19th, 2008 at 13:51Scott in Italy said:
okay.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:11Jordan Allen (Science trick here!) said:
Since when do these pays driver need to be good? Why can not we find a driver rich enough so that your other driver has decent equipment? I for one, would love to see the top leaders try to pass some of these drivers who have never even heard of the word “mirrors” and are colour-blind in the green-blue specturm. Bernadi, Inoue and Martini come to mind…..
November 19th, 2008 at 14:12Journeyer said:
A rather odd yet somewhat funny moment, from 2002:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLnK8usoUM
This was from the last ever race that F1Digital+ covered. Go straight to the 5:54 mark.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:13Journeyer said:
YouTube comment in moderation.
Well, it IS dangerous to have very slow drivers around. Do you remember Chanoch Nissany?
November 19th, 2008 at 14:17me said:
erm, nope?
found yer comment.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:23Journeyer said:
thank you!
Chanoch Nissany was this rich Israeli who wanted a go in an F1 car. But not just on any day, oh no. He wanted to be Minardi’s 3rd driver for a day. And he bought a drive for a day, which I believe took place at Hungary in 2003. The drivers were stunned at how slow he was (I think he was… 8 seconds slower a lap?) and wanted him to stay in the garage, so that he wouldn’t impede and endanger other drivers.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:25me said:
back when luca still had hair.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:32Journeyer said:
Oh YEAH! I didn’t notice that.
Pretty good coverage from F1D. But I have no idea why they’d keep 2 commentary teams. That was pretty odd. Can the BBC match them for coverage next year with the red button?
November 19th, 2008 at 14:33Steven Roy said:
I assume you mean Ralf smiling and being pleasant.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:34me said:
the “email the teams” service is pretty cool. lord knows what the bbc are cooking up.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:34Journeyer said:
As odd as that was, no, I meant the thing that they saw AFTER that.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:35me said:
November 19th, 2008 at 14:35Journeyer said:
Yup. I love the bit where Eddie Jordan said something to the effect that he had faith in Honda’s engines at around the same time Fisi’s engine blew.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:38me said:
hell of a grid walk isn’t?
November 19th, 2008 at 14:41me said:
just watching the second part. i don’t think mario should be allowed to wear baseball caps.
November 19th, 2008 at 14:42Jordan Allen (Science trick here!) said:
AS if Christine would not do the same thing if she were Bourdias’ Grid Girl….. (regardless of the heat and humidity)
A Minardi third driver Give me a break? Try both 1997 Mastercard Lola driver’s qualifying attempts in Australia. All of us could come up with a better team that mess. * and 9 seconds off the Pole. Think they got hit with the 107% rule.
But still, who is more dangerous, the slow guy you can blow on right by, or the fast guy who makes passing attempts by forcing you off the road?
November 19th, 2008 at 14:45Journeyer said:
why? you mean very long? for it was VERY long.
Ooomph!
Wasn’t that the car’s fault, not the drivers’?
As they say, better the devil you know…
November 19th, 2008 at 14:46Journeyer said:
Hahaha!
November 19th, 2008 at 14:50Jordan Allen (Science trick here!) said:
Does make you wonder what would happen if Christine were Montagny’s Grid Girl……..
November 19th, 2008 at 14:53Journeyer said:
Hmmm… If Montagny or Bourdais were to get on the grid next year, it’d make a good subtitle for the race preview vid!
Another vid for everyone to see, from an era long ago: 2002. Some lovely bloopers, again from F1Digital+.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WATB3Tw2RLE
November 19th, 2008 at 14:59R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
Afternoon all.
Hope they do. Looks like sweet coverage.
What was I saying?
November 19th, 2008 at 15:03Journeyer said:
Um, it looks like sweet coverage? Hahaha!
November 19th, 2008 at 16:31Journeyer said:
Got quiet here all of a sudden.
Anyway, here are the final times for the final day of testing:
Vettel 1:19.295 (75 laps) Bourdais 1:19.839 (121 laps) Buemi 1:20.154 (115 laps) Paffett 1:21.140 (81 laps) Button 1:21.397 (94 laps) Klien 1:21.534 (88 laps)
Heidfeld 1:21.592 (106 laps)Senna 1:21.676 (107 laps)
Piquet 1:22.148 (94 laps)
Hulkenberg 1:22.410 (52 laps)
Badoer 1:22.866 (120 laps)Fisichella 1:23.086 (93 laps)
de la Rosa 1:23.103 (88 laps)
Well, key things to look at:
STR: Bourdais well and truly beat Buemi today (assuming they’re on similar programs). Bourdais was up by 0.315. But again, it begs the question: given that Buemi got 3 days in the car when the others got 2, is he still really gunning for a seat, or is he already guaranteed one?
Honda: Bruno Senna did respectably, but not exceptionally, finishing just under 3 tenths behind Button. But how did he fare against di Grassi’s time yesterday? Senna beat it by 6 tenths. Senna also has a relatively smaller gap to Jenson compared to di Grassi, who was half a second behind by the end of yesterday’s test session.
Williams: Nico Hulkenberg had limited running in the morning, but it seems that this was due to any mechanical gremlins with the car. But he stayed all day near the bottom of the timing pages.
Force India: After being last much of the day, Fisichella made a late surge to eke out a slightly faster time than Pedro de la Rosa, beating him by only 0.017. But this does not augur well for Pedro: after all, if he has any intention of replacing Fisi in the race seat, surely he should be faster than him? For Pedro, finishing dead last 2 days in succession isn’t a nice sight.
November 19th, 2008 at 16:32Journeyer said:
A correction: it seems that this was NOT due to any mechanical gremlins with the car.
November 19th, 2008 at 16:37me said:
sorry, deep in sidepodcode. new stuff coming, updates soon.
please do keep us informed on testing though.
November 19th, 2008 at 16:39Journeyer said:
sidepodcode. i like it!
it’s done: results are above. if anyone is willing to share some pics from today, post away!
November 19th, 2008 at 16:40me said:
one bit of news:
“The word in Formula 1 circles is that the paddock newspaper, known as The Red Bulletin is to cease production in F1 next year.”
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20985.html
November 19th, 2008 at 16:44Journeyer said:
Can you say: economic recession?
‘Tis a shame though. I thought they were going strong, considering they’ve increased their online ad presence as of late. I shudder to think: since they’re cutting down on the glitz and glamour, is Red Bull becoming… corporate? :O
November 19th, 2008 at 17:05me said:
i was assuming they were always going to cut back when they ditched STR, if only because that team would need a motorhome of it’s own.
you’re right about the online ads though. strange.
November 19th, 2008 at 17:35Steven Roy said:
After ignoring it for a couple of weeks I finally got round to reading the next chunk of EJ’s book. Some of the things he did defy belief. At the end of Jordan’s second season in 1992 when they scored one point all year with the awful Yamaha V12 he had already signed Barrichello and to partner him he tried to sign Ayrton Senna. Senna was looking for a way out of McLaren but ended up staying there for 1993 and winning 5 races.
EJ offered him a deal which he says he later offered to Schumacher. At the end of his first season Senna would own 25% of the team and at the end of his second season he would own 49%. How can anyone dream up the idea of trying to sign the best driver on the grid to a team that only scored one point all season?
November 19th, 2008 at 17:46lou said:
Lol that’s funny, specially as i saw a pic earlier on in the year of Nick Fry walking just behind Jenson, with all the stubble and a big pair of sunglasses Nick looked like he was trying to be Jenson, lol.
November 19th, 2008 at 17:47Dom said:
Why is it that F1 drivers always seem to have their own set of stamps printed out?
November 19th, 2008 at 17:53Christine said:
Perhaps Royal Mail hopes he will speed things up.
November 19th, 2008 at 17:56lou said:
oh my goodness… couldn’t they have put a fake on the other side… just to balance it out.
Rubens isn’t going anywhere
I’m sure Honda will see sense sooner or later… until they confirm anything I am clinging to the hope that he may still have a drive.
Oh no!
that’s so sad. The Red Bulletin is awesome 
November 19th, 2008 at 18:08Steven Roy said:
I thought there was some law about no living person other than royalty appearing on stamps.
November 19th, 2008 at 18:18Dank said:
NO! NO! NOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Worst news ever
November 19th, 2008 at 18:19me said:
am inclined to agree. what are we left with now? bernie’s silly little corporate nothingness rag?
November 19th, 2008 at 18:25Dank said:
I don’t get why they just don’t sell the damn thing and recoup some of the production costs that way? People would still want a copy at a low cost - I’d sooner buy a set of them over a race weekend than the rubbish over-priced official programmes.
F1 without The Red Bulletin will be a much duller place!
November 19th, 2008 at 18:26R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
What about the end of the end of F1?
November 19th, 2008 at 18:28Dank said:
That’s second.
November 19th, 2008 at 18:31lou said:
Why has Senna been wearing Honda overalls and Di Grassi plain white ones? Is it because Di Grassi is still under contract by Renault or something?
November 19th, 2008 at 18:38Kathi said:
What are those for?
November 19th, 2008 at 18:40R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
Bad news everyone, might not be able to make it this Sunday after all. The idiots at Blyth put the kick off for my match at 2pm, which also means I’ll miss the Spurs match.
C’mon rain, snow whatever, just not sun.
I’d assume so
November 19th, 2008 at 18:41lou said:
oh good god! now they are just trying to make them look worse! It makes the car make it look like it has braces!
November 19th, 2008 at 18:42Christine said:
Or it’s been clamped!
November 19th, 2008 at 18:44lou said:
haha yes!
but seriously… what could they actually do for the car other than make pit stops harder…
November 19th, 2008 at 18:51me said:
note sure actually. i wonder if they’ve been “asked” to stop making it. because that would make a lot of business sense.
November 19th, 2008 at 18:53me said:
hehe.
renault have been running them all year. no need to panic, nothing to do with the ‘09 regs.
rf1pp explained it once, i’ll have to check though.
November 19th, 2008 at 19:03Steven Roy said:
They have given Piquet stabilisers.
A wild guess is that the bars contain temperature sensors to get baseline data for slicks. They are illegal for racing so you will only ever see them in testing whatever they are.
November 19th, 2008 at 19:08Christine said:
Hehe.
November 19th, 2008 at 19:08me said:
i’d tell ya if i could get on the damn renault site. it must be time for a new one by now? i filled in the survey and everything.
November 19th, 2008 at 19:15Jordan Allen (Science trick here!) said:
Are you sure me? Cause if Reanult made its rims out of some ferrous metal and if that black thing is a coil wrapped around the tyre like that I think it is we have a decent electromagnetic to store power as long as the wheels are moving.
In another words, Reanult already have their KERB;s system working better than the 2014 regs….
November 19th, 2008 at 19:24lou said:
ah phew
November 19th, 2008 at 19:33me said:
good plan.
have given trying to access renault, after 20 mins of trying, so am just gonna go with steven’s explanation.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:13Alianora La Canta said:
am inclined to agree. what are we left with now? bernie’s silly little corporate nothingness rag? {me - 18 comments ago}
Bernie’s magazine stopped being published about 15 months before Red Bulletin’s began. It was called F1 Magazine and the last edition was February 2004 (it’s about halfway down the vertical stack of magazines at home). So now there’ll only be One Aim (Toyota’s magazine) and possibly Racing Line (McLaren’s magazine) in the paddock. The rest of us will have to stick with the usual websites.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:15Alianora La Canta said:
How can anyone dream up the idea of trying to sign the best driver on the grid to a team that only scored one point all season? {Steven Roy - 25 comments ago}
Admittedly it was a grandiose plan even by EJ’s standards, but then again there is never a completely inescapable situation for the truly creative. EJ saw Senna and Barrichello as his escape routes, though in the end it was Barrichello’s eventual team-mate combined with the arrival of tobacco advertising to the team that gave Jordan the boost into stability it needed
November 19th, 2008 at 20:20me said:
sorry, should’ve been clear.
bernie flogs a magazine at races, the official program i think he calls it.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:22Steven Roy said:
According to EJ Sasol was responsible for the stability. After 3 races in 1992 in which they had achieved nothing Sasol signed up for another 3 years. In its first season 1991 EJ invested £5 million he had made and at the end of the season the team was £5 million in debt. By the end of 1992 both his houses were guaranteeing loans for the team. The Sasol deal safeguarded everything.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:34Christine said:
Oooh, the one where they pick out the worst driver pictures possible!
November 19th, 2008 at 20:38me said:
yeah, that’s the one.
the red bulletin put it to shame, but i guess rather than improve it bernie decided to nix the competition?
November 19th, 2008 at 20:41Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:
who cares about pictures of the drivers?
November 19th, 2008 at 20:42Christine said:
But they are truly awful. I’d go so far as to say it’s deliberate.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:46Dank said:
Dietrich Mateschitz is likely to continue with the Red Bulletin brand, albeit as a ‘glossy’ high-brow publication. Much like the German/Austrain version here: http://www.redbulletin.com/
So in theory that should incorporate all F1 coverage under the one roof, along with other ‘extreme’ sports and beauty and fashion tips. Can’t wait…
November 19th, 2008 at 20:49me said:
ok… anyone for some new sidepodcode?
http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/
if you fancy doing some testing for us, please note the “alpha” tag in the title bar. that means this is really new. in fact it’s only about 7 hours old, so this is the rawest thing we’ve ever shown anyone… so please be gentle.
real time is designed to solve a problem we had yesterday trying to follow conversations on multiple posts. one page shows you all of the active conversations anywhere on the site. it doesn’t replace the live commenting page, it compliments it.
feel free to take a look and let us know what you think
November 19th, 2008 at 20:50Christine said:
I’m on it right now!
November 19th, 2008 at 20:52me said:
also, thus far it’s only been tested in firefox and on a mac. i doubt it’ll work on anything that answers to the name “internet explorer”.
many of the bugs found in live commenting will be repeatable because they share the same code. notable things to watch out for:
- removed the pretty editor until we can find a better one
- you can’t yet quote a whole comment, only a paragraph at a time
November 19th, 2008 at 20:55Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:
It’s to keep reader’s attention on the racing, where it belongs. And on the grid girls
You’ll never see a bad photo of a grid girl. Maybe sidepodcast should branch out into print or is that too 20th century? With a female editor in charge, you could choose the pictures and you’d have women sports fans across the world saying “Honest. I only read the articles.”
November 19th, 2008 at 20:57Andy Taylor said:
Looks good though, me. I’m liking the “tested in Firefox and on a Mac” bit
November 19th, 2008 at 20:57Ollie said:
I’m on it too!
November 19th, 2008 at 20:57me said:
should also point out, the reply button is to the bottom right of each comment. rather than near you personal details.
this is because the page displays conversation threads from all posts on the site, and otherwise wouldn’t know where to post the comment too.
it also means you can have multiple conversations on multiple threads on the same page.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:57Christine said:
As an advert for the sport and an introduction for new people, I don’t think hideous pictures are a good start.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:58Christine said:
First thing I asked too. Your super duper stuff is now so good that it needs to come with instructions.
November 19th, 2008 at 20:59Ollie said:
Ahh, I see. I get the reply button now. At first I was all “extra clicks!”, but as it’s a site-wide feed-pull, it makes sense.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:01Dom said:
Oooh, i likes it.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:02lou said:
Looks really cool on Firefox
i wouldn’t believe it’s only 7 hours old. One problem is that in you don’t see any of the comments, just the top part (nothing below name, mail, website) and the ‘About’ bit at the bottom.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:02me said:
sorry, shoulda said.
yell if anything else isn’t clear.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:03lou said:
that was meant to be in chrome
November 19th, 2008 at 21:03Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:
And I really was thinking this place would go quiet with no major changes for a little while. We appreciate everything you guys do
November 19th, 2008 at 21:03me said:
that sounds like a very big problem? surely that means it’s not working at all?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:04me said:
it’s all good fun
November 19th, 2008 at 21:04me said:
hold on, i quoted meself there? meant to quote lou.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:05me said:
riiiight. thanks you.
yeah, not got that far yet.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:06lou said:
I have both firefox and chrome on my laptop. it works fine in firefox, but not in chrome
sorry i should have been clearer
November 19th, 2008 at 21:07Andy Taylor said:
It isn’t the law, but a general policy. Royal Mail do make exceptions and mistakes e.g. Roger Taylor (alive) can be seen on the stamp featuring Freddie Mercury (dead).
November 19th, 2008 at 21:07lou said:
November 19th, 2008 at 21:08Andy Taylor said:
Not working in Chrome should be seen as a feature not a bug
November 19th, 2008 at 21:09Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:
Could be worse. There could be hideous cars as well. oh
November 19th, 2008 at 21:10lou said:
what’s wrong with Chrome? i like Chrome, it has a lovely layout and is very quick.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:10me said:
hahaha.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:10Ollie said:
Indeed, isn’t Chrome still in beta?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:11me said:
it’s not available on the mac yet.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:11Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:
some people think torture is fun. You’re mad, but as long as we benefit from it, I’m not complaining
November 19th, 2008 at 21:11lou said:
oh i see…
November 19th, 2008 at 21:12lou said:
yes i think so.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:13me said:
nah, it’s education isn’t it? knowledge is power n’all that.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:13Alianora La Canta said:
sorry, should’ve been clear.
bernie flogs a magazine at races, the official program i think he calls it. {me - 27 comments ago}
Oh, I see. I didn’t even consider it a magazine, just a programme with ideas above its station and a price tag to match. And yes, I’m sure that’ll still be sold.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:14Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
so if i write in the box (on realtime) does that include the previous message? this message will tell me…
November 19th, 2008 at 21:15Andy Taylor said:
Chrome may be fast, but XP/Vista only? and the layout looks as bad as a 2009 F1 car.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:15Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
good. i was worried that reply automatically included the message. i didn’t want it to so now i know what’s going on. awesome. i like it. who care about internet explorer uses really?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:15me said:
nope, you still quote in the old way - click a paragraph and it gets copied into the box.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:15Alianora La Canta said:
According to EJ Sasol was responsible for the stability. After 3 races in 1992 in which they had achieved nothing Sasol signed up for another 3 years. In its first season 1991 EJ invested £5 million he had made and at the end of the season the team was £5 million in debt. By the end of 1992 both his houses were guaranteeing loans for the team. The Sasol deal safeguarded everything. {Steven Roy - 27 comments ago}
Sasol saved the team, there is no doubt about it. The question is whether they’d have extended beyond the three years had B&H not intervened and taken up loads of advertising space. I thought not, but maybe I was wrong.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:16Andy Taylor said:
Yes, so is Google Mail.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:16Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
So bernie is the knows the most in F1?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:17me said:
hehe. well we’ll get there, just figured the sooner it was available for us to use the better really.
yesterday all i did was flick between posts trying to work out who was saying what.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:17me said:
we should get him on the panel to find out.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:18lou said:
‘me’ have you changed anything?… cause i just reloaded the realtime page accidently in chrome and it now works fine…. maybe my computer was just slow loading the page first time round or something… either that or i’m going mad.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:19me said:
nope.
that is good news. odd, but good.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:19Alianora La Canta said:
nope, you still quote in the old way - click a paragraph and it gets copied into the box. {me - 2 comments ago}
Unless you have my weird computer, in which case it puts the paragraph in the address bar and attempts to translate it into Bulgarian instead.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:20lou said:
it wasn’t working on my desktop either, but suddenly is now.. hmm strange. must have been my internet or something.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:20me said:
you couldn’t make it up!
does it still do the same on the realtime page?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:20Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
if i am writing a message, and a few new ones get posted while i am writing. my message keeps disappearing down the screen (and off it) this could be a problem during races when there is barely enough time to read what others have written. when i head down to click post comment, and somone just posts a message, it moves down again, and again if the comments are fast. i’d be annoyed during a race. can you frame it to the right or something?
i like the way the time stamp at the bottom of the page reflects the users time zone - i get confused having to subtract one hour all the time. i may be employed as a statistician (yeah shock, I’m a nerd) but i get really concerned when i think noone has commented for a while, then i remember where i am.
nice to see that an apostrophe in my name space gets handled correctly too.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:21me said:
can ya test it in IE for us too please?
i don’t hold out much hope…
November 19th, 2008 at 21:21Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
> that is good news. odd, but good.
you mean Lou going mad is good?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:21Ollie said:
Sidepodquiz!
November 19th, 2008 at 21:22Christine said:
Would you use this during a race? I’d just stick with the lclt because it’s only ever going to be on one post.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:22me said:
there be a checkbox at the top right of the page. click it and the page stops scrolling.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:22Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
touche.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:24lou said:
yep.
I get a message highlighted in yellow saying ‘Please note:This page currently requires and modern browser such as Safari 3+, Firefox 3+ or Internet Explorer 7+’
which is odd cause it is IE7.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:24Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
this was in response the Christine’s valid point about this feature would not be during a race.
was also going to post me’s comment here too, but the clicking on it doesn’t work from outside the message i am writing in (XP, firefox)
November 19th, 2008 at 21:25me said:
also, on my mac, ctrl+f will enable / disable the checkbox should you need to do so in a hurry.
your mileage may vary on that one though.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:25me said:
i might need to change that.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:25Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
i checked ie and got Lou’s message too. i think i have IE7 too but can’t remember how to find the version number. i never use this thing since they moved all the menus
November 19th, 2008 at 21:26Christine said:
Haha, we’ve been through this before!
November 19th, 2008 at 21:27me said:
that is by design. to stop people quoting comments between threads.
may have to think about that a bit more mind you.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:28me said:
if bernie beat you would you be happy or sad?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:29Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
okay. a lot of us users sometimes try to do a catchup post across multiple messages from during the day, but once again, maybe cross topic reading won’t be required that often?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:29me said:
i hear ya. that’s a bug then.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:30Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
i’d be happy if he just came on. should we ask him? Question 1: was the stewards decisions in 2008 (three options -choose one) dodgy, horrific, corrupt?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:31Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
you guys know this site more than i do. depends on how people want to use this cross-topic discussion.
internet explorer - i do have version 7.0.5730 and i got the message mentioned before by lou that wants version 7+
November 19th, 2008 at 21:33Andy Taylor said:
also, on my mac, ctrl+f will enable / disable the checkbox should you need to do so in a hurry.
your mileage may vary on that one though.
Ctrl+F works for me (on a Mac)
November 19th, 2008 at 21:36lou said:
if knowing the version number helps i have version: 7.0.5730.11
November 19th, 2008 at 21:39Ollie said:
I wouldn’t care either way, he’s still a muppet for thinking medals is a good idea.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:40Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
exactly the same as me. i just forgot the last bit. oops.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:41R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
Managed to bore myself to death by watching Wales v Denmark, and then Germany v England. And you thought Valencia was boring…
I don’t think its a bad idea, it is a bad idea for a sport where points and difficult calculations are much loved.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:42R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
Speaking of which, any plans in the future?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:44Christine said:
I have plans to set up a page in the Wiki.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:44R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:
That sounds like a good plan
November 19th, 2008 at 21:46Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
I want to see some half points this hear for some reason. Maybe just for finishing the race within 2 laps of the winner. that’s my random thought for the night
November 19th, 2008 at 21:47Christine said:
Ooh maths!
November 19th, 2008 at 21:48Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
and spelling would have been nice too
November 19th, 2008 at 21:48Andy Taylor said:
I seem to have been moderated for mentioning that the control F key combination worked for me. On a Mac
November 19th, 2008 at 21:49Christine said:
I got that for ya.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:52Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
do links work here
http://www.corriere.it/gallery/Scienze/vuoto.shtml?2008/11_Novembre/marte/1&10
so this is where you threw that stupid mac thing that stopped working?
November 19th, 2008 at 21:54me said:
haha. if only.
it’s where i’m gonna throw vista though. can’t look at the IE bug until it’s installed 44MB updates. that’s 44MB of updates since sunday.
just how bad can an operating system be??
November 19th, 2008 at 21:57Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
two words: windows ME.
November 19th, 2008 at 21:57Andy Taylor said:
Thanks. Changing the subject completely, Monty Python have launched their own YouTube channel:
For 3 years you YouTubers have been ripping us off, taking tens of thousands of our videos and putting them on YouTube. Now the tables are turned. It’s time for us to take matters into our own hands.
We know who you are, we know where you live and we could come after you in ways too horrible to tell. But being the extraordinarily nice chaps we are, we’ve figured a better way to get our own back: We’ve launched our own Monty Python channel on YouTube.
No more of those crap quality videos you’ve been posting. We’re giving you the real thing - HQ videos delivered straight from our vault.
What’s more, we’re taking our most viewed clips and uploading brand new HQ versions. And what’s even more, we’re letting you see absolutely everything for free. So there!
But we want something in return.
None of your driveling, mindless comments. Instead, we want you to click on the links, buy our movies & TV shows and soften our pain and disgust at being ripped off all these years.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:00me said:
christine’s in need of some historical comedic education. should make her a python mix tape? what would feature?
November 19th, 2008 at 22:01Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
what an open question to stoke the fire.
Because nobody suspects….
November 19th, 2008 at 22:01Andy Taylor said:
Forget ME, me
Check out Microsoft Bob.
Here’s a spoof ad for a new OS from Microsoft:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FnE6y9JIM
Warning - some naughty words
November 19th, 2008 at 22:02lou said:
The parrot sketch! That’s my fav… in fact anything from the Monty Python team is worth watching
November 19th, 2008 at 22:02me said:
if i’m honest, they’re neck and neck right now.
millennium sucked at a time when there wasn’t a whole heap of alternatives. now instead of vista, there’s ubuntu, os x etc.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:03Andy Taylor said:
Looks like the realtime page doesn’t catch post edits - the video link I just posted has a rude word in it, not too bad but wanted to warn you all.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:03me said:
love it.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:04Andy Taylor said:
Python Mix tape? Ooo. I’d start off with Holy Grail. easily their best work. That and Brian
November 19th, 2008 at 22:05me said:
same issue as with live commenting. fixing that is a pretty major rework.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:05Jon Waldock said:
People, people, people…
Your all forgetting the most imporant question of the day
Oh and by the way, what are ice mince pies??
November 19th, 2008 at 22:05Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
i haven’t done a lot of hard stuff with vista and was still on Win95 when ME came out (thankfully)
news last week(?) said parrot sketch was not written by Monty Python
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3085389.html
and this is the photo that represents Massa’s championship loss
if looks could kill
http://www.corriere.it/gallery/Extra/2008/formula1/vuoto.shtml?formula1/formula1/incidente_ferrari&18
November 19th, 2008 at 22:08lou said:
iced mince pies - http://www.supercook.co.uk/find-recipe-ideas/iced-mince-pies-recipe/12073
November 19th, 2008 at 22:09Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
Thanks for that
November 19th, 2008 at 22:10me said:
they come in a box and live in the kitchen. that’s as much as i can tell you.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:11Scott in Italy (nice to beta test code that isn't mine) said:
and on an unrelated topic….re: impressions of F1 cars. I’d like to nominate my flatmate blowing her nose…
November 19th, 2008 at 22:13R.G (What need is there for fish to sing, when I can roar and bellow?) said:
So they could be, in theory, germs?
November 19th, 2008 at 22:17Andy Taylor said:
I guessed it probably would be.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:20Scott in Italy said:
i’m off to bed. night all
November 19th, 2008 at 22:21R.G (What need is there for fish to sing, when I can roar and bellow?) said:
Might as well follow you Scotty, night all.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:22me said:
cheers scott. thanks for your help today.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:23me said:
something we said?
see ya.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:24Alianora La Canta said:
you couldn’t make it up!
does it still do the same on the realtime page? {me - many comments ago}
Almost - I found a translation button in my browser, which means double-clicking on a paragraph translates it into English on the address bar at the moment instead. (It looks like it can do 30 other languages too).
A more serious problem is that I can’t find a comment box, so it wouldn’t be able to work properly even if I hadn’t found that I’d ended up with some obscure translation plug-in on my browser.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:25R.G (What need is there for fish to sing, when I can roar and bellow?) said:
Oh by the way, no need to alarm you
http://2008.weblogawards.org/nominations/best-online-community/index.php#comment-13003
But the Inuits are ahead.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:27Andy Taylor said:
Back to Python - how about the Witch scene from Holy Grail?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w1IJiAXjj7k
November 19th, 2008 at 22:29me said:
should be a single-click, rather than double. in order to quote.
can you see the green “reply” links to the lower right of each comment?
November 19th, 2008 at 22:30me said:
it’s a conspiracy, i tell ya.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:33Alianora La Canta said:
Single-clicking only highlights, whatever site I’m on (unless it’s a hyperlink or something).
November 19th, 2008 at 22:33Dom said:
Ooh, the environmentalists are beating us. That’s quite a blow for an F1 site following the space mission…
November 19th, 2008 at 22:34me said:
but not in live commenting or on the realtime page surely?
they’re special.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:34me said:
isn’t it just?
November 19th, 2008 at 22:37me said:
here is some text. just making a demo video. pls ignore.
November 19th, 2008 at 22:46me said:
alia, have made you a quick demo video to show how the page should work:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/realtimedemo
can you let us know if this is / isn’t what you’re seeing?
November 19th, 2008 at 23:07Steven Roy said:
I haven’t got that far in the book yet.
The other thing I found interesting is that Irvine was being paid $800,000 a year to drive Japanese F3000. I thought he was being paid a fairly small amount and had made all his money playing the markets but it looks like he was playing the markets with a large stake.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:12Alianora La Canta said:
but not in live commenting or on the realtime page surely?
they’re special. {me - 5 comments ago}
The same applies in live commenting as to the rest of the internet. If I had a comment box in the realtime page, then maybe things would be different there, but given that it uses a lot of the live commenting code, it wouldn’t surprise me if that function wasn’t there even after the box appeared.
can you let us know if this is / isn’t what you’re seeing? {me - 2 comments ago}
I can’t get the video to work either. drop.io loads, but apart from the title and the usual embed/download etc., there is nothing there. No play button, no screen, no nothing.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:13Alianora La Canta said:
I thought he was being paid a fairly small amount and had made all his money playing the markets but it looks like he was playing the markets with a large stake. {Steven Roy - 2 comments ago}
No wonder Eddie Irvine had trouble with the concept of paying money to race in F1!
November 19th, 2008 at 23:15Alianora La Canta said:
By the way, I’m now in Firefox 3 and I think it’s the qtl translation plug-in that’s doing the clashing.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:16Scott said:
I accept it’ll take some time, though. A lot of blogs have been going 12 months, or so, before they become truly established.
I should probably leave that to Lou, given her excellent debut a couple of weeks back.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:17Alianora La Canta said:
Anyway, I’m going to bed. I’ve got a meeting tomorrow morning, and I hope it goes better than last time (actually, given that last time I spent nearly an hour-and-a-half being lost in Nottingham without ever finding the venue, it would be difficult for the meeting to go worse this time…)
November 19th, 2008 at 23:22Steven Roy said:
You need the dead parrot sketch, the fish slapping dance, ministry of silly walks & finish with always look on the bright side of life.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:22Scott said:
http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/
It is, but as is often pointed out, Google are incredibly cautious about removing products from beta status. Gmail is a good example.
I don’t think there’s any real need for Chrome to be considered a beta application. It must have reached a state that Microsoft would consider to be stable long before the public ever saw it.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:25Steven Roy said:
Can we organise an oil slick?
November 19th, 2008 at 23:30Steven Roy said:
Maybe Heidi aimed the tool bag at them
November 19th, 2008 at 23:34Steven Roy said:
Testing the new thing now that I have caught up with the comments.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:35Steven Roy said:
That works really well and completely intuitive which is just as well because I can’t make the video work.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:40me said:
haha. looks like dropio is having issues converting the video, so maybe not the best demo.
incidentally i just checked out alia’s “qtl translation plug-in” and the first mention on google says:
“Be careful! the addon adds and changes your default search engine each time the browser starts. in addition, the translation feature turns itself on even …”
following that link informs me that the plugin also ruins a host of other sites, and it’s limited to windows usage. my advice would be to remove it immediately, it’s clearly doing more harm than good.
either way, whatever issues it’s causing with livecommenting are going to remain, because that bit of code isn’t coming anywhere near our machines. quite frightening.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:47Scott said:
I’ll do the same.
Having watched that F1 Digital+ clip again, it’s reminded me just how great their coverage was. The BBC have really missed a trick by not having Matt Lorenzo (the presenter) involved. He’s someone who knows about Formula 1, is a skilled presenter and very witty to boot. He should have been considered as much of a priority as Martin Brundle, in my opinion.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:49Scott said:
Oops. Forgot to quote Steven Roy’s comment about testing out the new commenting system. That’s what ‘I’ll do the same’ relates to.
It works well, by the way.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:52me said:
good stuff. the idea sort of came from here:
http://friendfeed.com/rooms/sidepodcast-live/realtime
which was an earlier attempt at a similar concept. couldn’t get it to do what we wanted tho.
November 19th, 2008 at 23:57Andy Taylor said:
I’e just discovered you can make Youtube links start at a certain time rather than the beginning of the clip.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/10/14/youtube-allows-you-to-start-playing-embed-video-at-specific-start-time/
November 19th, 2008 at 23:57lou said:
If you download the video from drop.io alia, it works fine.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:00Scott said:
Wouldn’t the risk with that be that it ends up taking commentators away from Sidepodcast? A lot of bloggers seem to have this problem.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:03me said:
the biggest issue is that it was just plain slow. clicking the link takes you back here, but the additional comment option would’ve been confusing, yeah.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:05me said:
now that you’ve discovered it… what in the world are you gonna do with it?
November 20th, 2008 at 00:07Journeyer said:
methinks this has something to do with monitoring tyre temps? Not sure though.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:10Andy Taylor said:
Just don’t spoil a good idea.
How about the earlier post where whoever posted it said go to 5 minutes 57 seconds into the clip?
November 20th, 2008 at 00:11me said:
ah-ha. ok, nuff said.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:47Steven Roy said:
Two more Python necessities. The lumberjack song and the machine that goes PING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHdF1eHhgc
November 20th, 2008 at 00:48Steven Roy said:
Just got moderated for posting a link to the machine that goes PING!
November 20th, 2008 at 00:54me said:
i thought the “machine that goes ping” came from spaceballs? what a revelation.
November 20th, 2008 at 00:55me said:
scrub that, it was airplane wasn’t it?
November 20th, 2008 at 01:15Steven Roy said:
I think you could be right
November 20th, 2008 at 01:52Jordan Allen (Monty Python mis-qutoe here!) said:
Christine is a witch! She turned Steven Roy into a newt!
November 20th, 2008 at 02:09Jordan Allen (Monty Python mis-qutoe here!) said:
Orange button marked “O”, on your right side, below the gear up lever, on your Panda Racer steering wheel, Steven. Came with the “Spyhunter” mods.
BTW, the new boffin, nicknamed “Q”, and being the double of John Gleese, says it is “Not quite perfected yet”….
November 20th, 2008 at 02:12Steven Roy said:
I am sure you will explain that to me if I need to know.
November 20th, 2008 at 02:13Steven Roy said:
Bernie has given the Inuits a GP??
November 20th, 2008 at 02:16Jordan Allen (Monty Python mis-qutoe here!) said:
Oh good, you got better.
Someone forgot to read my bracketed section…..But I was misquoting the being of the “Witch sence” to MOnty Python’s holy Grail.
November 20th, 2008 at 02:21Jordan Allen () said:
No but you and whoever drives the Test Sidepodcast Panda Racer has the ability to drop an oil slick when they want to. Will check with the other Race Engineer to see it if is finally installed in their race car yet….
November 20th, 2008 at 02:42Jackie said:
Cool, I like it, no more F5, yipee!
November 20th, 2008 at 23:33The RCE boys said:
Hey its not a case of two wroTngs making a right or not - the fact is the cars just look WRONG.
as for three lefts making a right? no way three lefts make a lap and a half on a speedway.
From ‘The RCE boys’ (We enjoy Sidepodcast and at least one of our number has a crush on the lovely presenter!)
November 20th, 2008 at 23:38Steven Roy said:
So do you always post as a group?
November 20th, 2008 at 23:41me said:
i guess someone’s got to
November 21st, 2008 at 11:45